| Windows 7: WARNING: Hardware noob! What does this odd thing actually do! |
19 Dec 2010
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#1 | | Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 |
WARNING: Hardware noob! What does this odd thing actually do! Hello all!
I must tell you that I honestly have no clue about hardware! Absolutely no clue! And I have two questions!  I can deal with software, but I needed help from one of the VF gurus to help me with plugging in my PCI-E card! That sort of noob! System Specs set up in my profile, just have a look.
I have a motherboard! Good start! On it is a CPU with a heatsink! Great! It is nice and cool to touch! Good! Next to it is a small heatsink, without a fan, and it is hot enough to put lines on your fingers if you touch it. It is just a small heat sink (about half the size of the CPU - linear, one quarter the size - area) right next to the CPU. Do you want a photo? Any ideas what it is? Do I need to worry about it being so hot? The system works fine, everything else is cool, so I would be tempted to just ignore it. I just became curious, and for someone with my absolute lack of skill, curiosity is dangerous!
I found this out while looking at my RAM. Although my Specs say 32bit, I am about to reinstall with Vista 64bit. Please think along the lines of 64bit OSs. I currently have 4GB of RAM. I use my computer very heavily. Firefox is currently using 523MB of RAM. I sometimes push it up to over a GB of RAM (Internet additct! lol) I use my system for a lot of heavy programming tasks. At the moment, it is early morning. I am currently using 73% available memory. At the middle of the day, that will be 95-100%.
Will I get a noticeable performance increase with 6GB of RAM? I do the occasional game. Low spec games. Old games. Very occasionally, they all run just fine. Or would Windows just continue to fill up my memory, but no noticeable increase in speed for me. I know the increase will never be massive, but I am just wondering whether it would be nothing?
If I do get more RAM, any particular brand? I have seen adverts for Crucial. They have a nice RAM tool. Are they the best?
I also know I need to look up speeds. Do I just look up my CPU and Motherboard speeds, and buy RAM for the lowest, or do I need to multiply things up. It all seems very complicated! What do I need to look up? I would be looking to put in a single matching pair. Would this be alright?
Could I then put my two old 1GB sticks into another computer? It is a fairly modern computer, so I don't think I need to worry about 0, 1, or 2 notch RAM, in a pair.
Are heatsink RAM sticks worth it? Looking at my system, I would say no.
Thank you so much for all your help, and patience with a noob!
Richard
P.S. I never overclock things!
P.P.S: Is there some other upgrade that really stands out. I can't really afford an expensive processor or anything like that, but maybe something stands out to your trained eyes! | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz Motherboard Stock Dell 0TP406 Memory 4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes) Monitor(s) Displays 1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen Screen Resolution 1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204 Keyboard Dell Bluetooth Mouse Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up) Case Dell XPS 420 Cooling Stock Fan Hard Drives 1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device Internet Speed Varies from 10kb/s to 170kb/s. So unreliable it is not funny Other Info ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6) |
19 Dec 2010
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#2 | | win 7 ultimate nottingham |
At a guess that would be the Northbridge chipset next to the cpu , as to the ram a 64bit system can make better use of ram over 4GB here is a link to an article about ramdefinitions which may help you understand the timings better Memory Timings Explained | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self build OS win 7 ultimate CPU amd phenom x4 9600 Motherboard asus m2n32-sli deluxe Memory corsair twinxs 2x2gb Graphics Card 2x nvidia 1gb 8500gt Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 19" lg ring tft PSU oryxx tornado 750w Case thermaltake xaser lll Cooling artic freezer64 pro + 7 case fans Hard Drives maxtor sata 500gb
maxtor sata 320gb
fujitsu sata200gb |
19 Dec 2010
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 8 64bit Pembrokeshire, South Wales, UK |
I'm not technical either Richard but putting more RAM into the machine is always going to make a difference but make sure you check what your motherboard can take with regards speed and make.
Also RAM is there to be used and Windows will always find a use for it otherwise it's just a waste.
Just my thoughts for you. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Zoostorm Desktop/ Asus K55A Notebook PC OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/Windows 8 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 @ 2400 MHz/Intel B820,1.7GHz Motherboard Foxconn 45CMX/45GMX/45CMX-K/Asus Memory 2048 MB (2 x 1024 DDR2-SDRAM)/8GB 2 x 4GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel Corp 82945G Integrated Graphics Controller/Intel Sound Card Onboard Realtek/Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Hanns.G HH221 22" inches Widescreen/Asus 15.6 Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080/1366 x 768 Keyboard Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (UK)/Inbuilt Mouse Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse/Touchpad Hard Drives ExcelStor (250GB)/Asus Internet Speed Just under 4MB download it's ADSL. Antivirus MSE/MSE Browser IE10/IE10 Other Info Epson Stylus SX415 All-in-one Printer,
Seagate Expansion 500GB External Desktop Drive
USB2 HDD Enclosure |
19 Dec 2010
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#4 | | Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 |
Hello!
Thank you both so much for your answers! Sorry for the delay! I wanted time to think! Northbridge was not something I had actually heard of before, but I have now, and it certainly seems to be the right thing. It has probably been hot for years. I shall just ignore it, and you have quenched my curiosity! Thanks Pebbly! Topic one resolved!
Again, thanks Pebbly for the excellent link! I read it, and learned a lot! And thank you, Joan, for your excellent contributions!
I have got another question now! *worry all around* I ran the crutial memory scanner: Memory upgrades from Crucial.com - Determine My Memory Needs
It offers memory at 1.8V and 2.0V. This thread says very definitely that 1.8V on 2.0V is fine: will running 1.8V ram at 2.0 kill it? - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
But I don't know what I have! I assume that 2.0V will not work on 1.8V. I looked in the Dell manual, but couldn't find anything about it. I assume that I am on 1.8V, but not for any particular reason.
If I need 1.8V, that gives me this: 4GB kit (2GBx2), 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-6400 upgrades for Dell XPS 420 Desktop/PC, CT1167040 from Crucial.com as I don't want to go for the slower speed. £10 for not losing memory speed is money well spent - it is only £10.
However, if I can use 2.0V, I have far more options, and even some faster memory like this one: 4GB kit (2GBx2), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-8500 upgrades for Dell XPS 420 Desktop/PC, CT1198084 from Crucial.com
I shall contact Crucial to see if their scanner actually accurately gauges speed properly, and I shall hunt around for a motherboard manual.
Thanks again!
Richard | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz Motherboard Stock Dell 0TP406 Memory 4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes) Monitor(s) Displays 1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen Screen Resolution 1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204 Keyboard Dell Bluetooth Mouse Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up) Case Dell XPS 420 Cooling Stock Fan Hard Drives 1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device Internet Speed Varies from 10kb/s to 170kb/s. So unreliable it is not funny Other Info ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6) |
19 Dec 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Profesional x86, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard England |
Rule one: DO NOT TOUCH INSIDE OF COMPUTER WHILE IT IS ON.
Rule two: earth yourself before touching system components.
Now for some advice.
All modern PCs have thermometers in them to prevent catastrophic failure and to regulate temperature.
They have cut off points which when hit causes an emergency shut down (like pulling the plug)
For most computers this is 100ºC.
This is to stop your PC from damaging itself.
If this hasn't happened to you you will be fine for the most part.
As for RAM. I made a little picture which isn't terribly useful or accurate but is quite fun.
Oli | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Apple MacBook 5,1 OS Windows 7 Profesional x86, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard CPU Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz Memory 4GB DDR3 Graphics Card Nvidia 9400m Monitor(s) Displays 13.3" Internal + 22" DVI + 21.5" USB Screen Resolution 1280x800 + 1920x1080 + 1920x1080 Keyboard Apple Late 2009 Wireless Keyboard (US) Mouse Apple Magic Mouse Case Aluminium Unibody Hard Drives Internal SATA 2.5" 500GB (395GB Mac HFS+, 105GB Windows NTFS)
2.48TB RAID consisting of 5 disks (HFS+) Internet Speed 6.33Mb/s up. 0.36Mb/s down. Other Info Harman Kardon Soundsticks II Speakers |
19 Dec 2010
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#6 | | Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit Grafton,IL |
Memory upgrades from Crucial.com - About Crucial:Media Toolbox
Did you happen to find this at Crucial?
It will scan to see what is installed and give you suggestions.
I realize you got options at Crucial just checking if you used the scanner or entered the Brand/Model option.
Scanner is more accurate and specific to actual installed.
Mike | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Hopalong/ Godzilla OS Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit CPU Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Motherboard ASUS P7P55D-E PRO Memory 8GB@1400MHz Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600 4x2GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 Sound Card VIA Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Asus VS248H-P 24"; Samsung SyncMaster 941BW 19"ws Screen Resolution 1920x1080; 1440x900 Keyboard Logitech K-320 Mouse Kensington PSU COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RS850-AMBAJ3-US 850W Modular Case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Cooling Scythe "Mugen-2 Rev.B" (2 ScytheKaze-Jyuni PWM fans) Hard Drives Samsung 830 120GB SSD
Intel 320 120GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Antivirus Avast Inernet Suite Browser IE 9 ; Chrome |
19 Dec 2010
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#7 | | Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 |
Yes, I used the tool. That scan I showed you was the result of the tool. However, I cannot believe that this old system is is good for 2.0V and 8500 frequency. I shall probably try contacting Crucial, just to confirm that their tool cannot scan for this, rather than my computer is better than I thought, and I shall also try to find my motherboard manual, unless anybody has any knowledge?
Richard
P.S. Oli, your picture has single handedly resolved all questions relating to voltage, temperatures, frequencies, motherboards and everything else! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz Motherboard Stock Dell 0TP406 Memory 4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes) Monitor(s) Displays 1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen Screen Resolution 1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204 Keyboard Dell Bluetooth Mouse Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up) Case Dell XPS 420 Cooling Stock Fan Hard Drives 1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device Internet Speed Varies from 10kb/s to 170kb/s. So unreliable it is not funny Other Info ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6) |
19 Dec 2010
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#8 | | Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit Grafton,IL |
PassMark RAMMon - Identify RAM type, speed & memory timings
This is what you need. Pick the 32 or 64bit.
Extreme amount of details on your RAM.
Mike | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Hopalong/ Godzilla OS Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit CPU Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Motherboard ASUS P7P55D-E PRO Memory 8GB@1400MHz Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600 4x2GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 Sound Card VIA Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Asus VS248H-P 24"; Samsung SyncMaster 941BW 19"ws Screen Resolution 1920x1080; 1440x900 Keyboard Logitech K-320 Mouse Kensington PSU COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RS850-AMBAJ3-US 850W Modular Case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Cooling Scythe "Mugen-2 Rev.B" (2 ScytheKaze-Jyuni PWM fans) Hard Drives Samsung 830 120GB SSD
Intel 320 120GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Antivirus Avast Inernet Suite Browser IE 9 ; Chrome |
19 Dec 2010
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64) South Australia |

Quote: Originally Posted by niemiro But I don't know what I have! I assume that 2.0V will not work on 1.8V. I looked in the Dell manual, but couldn't find anything about it. I assume that I am on 1.8V, but not for any particular reason. Hi Richard,
Note sure if this helps you, but...
Speccy (if you don't have it) will allow you to find out the voltage of your current RAM for a starting point. Get it here Speccy - System Information - Free Download
This is a screenshot of mine from Speccy | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Golden Mk. I.3 OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64) CPU Intel i7 860 @ 2.80 GHz Motherboard Gigabyte P55A-UD3R Rev.1. Award BIOS F13 Memory 16GB Corsair Vengance DDR3 @ 661 MHz Dual Channel (9-9-9-24) Graphics Card EVGA NVidia GTX 560 1024MB Sound Card Realtek Integrated Monitor(s) Displays Dual Samsung SyncMaster 2494HS Screen Resolution 1920*1080 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech G110 Mouse Logitech MX518 PSU Thermaltake ToughPower QFan 750W Case Thermaltake Element S VK60001W2Z Cooling Corsair H60 Water Cooling, 2*230mm and 2*80mm case fans Hard Drives 1*OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD;
2*Samsung F3 SpinPoint 1TB in RAID0;
3*Samsung F1 SpinPoint 1TB in RAID5;
1*Western Digital 500GB External USB 3.0
1*Seagate 500GB External USB 2.0 Internet Speed Not fast enough!!! Antivirus MSE and Malwarebytes Pro Browser Chrome Version 25 Other Info Laptop: ASUS X54C, Intel Core i3-2330M @ 2.0Ghz, 4GB RAM, Intel HD on-board graphics, Windows 7 Professional SP1 (x64), LinuxMint 14 (x64), PepperMint 3 (x86) |
19 Dec 2010
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#10 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Bay Area Peninsula |
Just for future reference, here is the Dell XPS 420 Owner's Manual Documentation
A Guy | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 CPU INTEL Core i5-750 Quad-Core 3.37GHz Motherboard ASUS P7P55D Memory KINGSTON 4GB (2 x 2GB) HyperX PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Graphics Card MSI N240GT-MD1G/D5 GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster B2430H 24" Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 PSU ANTEC TruePower New TP-550, 80 PLUS, 550W Case ANTEC Three Hundred Illusion Cooling COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus, 4 x 120mm 1 x 140mm Noctua's Hard Drives Intel X25M Gen2 80GB, SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache Internet Speed 20 + Mbps Antivirus Avast Browser Opera WARNING: Hardware noob! What does this odd thing actually do! problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:35 PM. | |