| Windows 7: Old P4 Boot Nightmare ! |
31 Dec 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit Colchester Essex |
Old P4 Boot Nightmare ! Excuse the length of this post, but I have tried to cover all information so far. My old PC, acts as a media server to other devices in the house. A couple of weeks ago it decided it will not power on ! You get case fan run for a couple of seconds, and then it shuts down again. It does not appear to complete the POST. Its an old Compaq Presario S4490UK, with a socket 478 P4, 2.8 processor, and an Asus P4SD-LA mobo. The last thing I had done to this PC is remove and re-mount the CPU fan as it was noisy. It ran ok for the rest of the day, but would not switch on the following day. I disconnected everything from the mobo except for the CPU, RAM and fans, and it still failed to POST. I disconnect the RAM, and you get a warning beep, but it still shuts down a few seconds later. I exchanged the PSU, no change, so I was left with what I thought was a CPU or Mother Board fault. I exchanged the Cmos battery to be safe, no change ! I obtained another CPU, and it done the same ! (Yes, installed with correct paste) I have just installed another Mother Board, and it still does the same !! What the heck am I missing here ?? Could the mobo be failing to see one of the fans run, and would that shut it down ?? (They do both run !) The only other thing I can think off is the original fault was the mobo, and that's fried the replacement CPU. Any other thoughts guys ?? | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Mesh XGS I7 OS Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit CPU Intel® Core™ i7 860 Quad Core Processor (2.80GHz, 8MB Cache) Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX Mainboard - Intel Core™ i5 / i7 - LGA 1156 / A Memory 16GB 1600MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM, Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card 1GB ATI Radeon HD5750 Sound Card 7.1 High Definition onboard sound card Monitor(s) Displays 22" LG FULL HD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Deluxe Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX620 Cordless mouse PSU 550W Case XGS Gaming Chassis - Midi Tower Cooling Standard fans Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive with 32MB Buffer Internet Speed 20 meg Antivirus MSE Browser IE9 |
31 Dec 2010
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate The Southern Hinterlands |
Often, this type of problem can be resolved by clearing the CMOS ... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUSTeK Computer INC. CM5675 OS Windows 7 Ultimate CPU Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz Motherboard ASUSTeK Computer INC. CM5675 Memory 6.00 GB Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Intel HD integtrated Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 24' Screen Resolution 1900/1020 Hard Drives (1) INTEL SSD SA2M120G2GC ATA Device (2) ST31000528AS ATA Device Internet Speed 30mb |
31 Dec 2010
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#3 | | Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) N. Calif |
When you removed/re-installed the fan/heatsink, did you apply fresh thermal grease? Whenever you re-install the heatsink it's a good idea to clean off the old grease and reapply new. It could be that your CPU is overheating and the system is shutting down to prevent damage. Also, double-check that the fan/heatsink is mounted correctly, it's possible it's not seated properly for some reason. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built, Dell Inspiron 1520 Laptop OS Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) CPU 3.4Ghz 3770K i7, 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo Motherboard Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, Dell Memory 8G, 3G Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770, Mobile Intel 965 Sound Card High Definition Audio (Built-in to mobo) Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2409W 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard IBM Model M - used continuously since 1986 Mouse Microsoft PSU Antec Case Antec 100 Cooling CM 212+ Hard Drives 128G SSD OS; 1.5T & 2T Data on Desktop, 320G for laptop Internet Speed 1.5M down 1.2M up :-( Other Info Also have an Acer Aspire netbook, a home-built AMD Dual core (Minecraft server) and home-built Pent 4 all running Win 7. Also have various machines running XP, Win Server 2K, Win Server 2003, Linux and DOS. I think I have a problem... |
31 Dec 2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit Colchester Essex |

Quote: Originally Posted by strollin When you removed/re-installed the fan/heatsink, did you apply fresh thermal grease? Whenever you re-install the heatsink it's a good idea to clean off the old grease and reapply new. It could be that your CPU is overheating and the system is shutting down to prevent damage. Thanks.
Yes new thermal grease applied.
Will have a look for the mobo manual about clearing the cmos. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Mesh XGS I7 OS Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit CPU Intel® Core™ i7 860 Quad Core Processor (2.80GHz, 8MB Cache) Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX Mainboard - Intel Core™ i5 / i7 - LGA 1156 / A Memory 16GB 1600MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM, Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card 1GB ATI Radeon HD5750 Sound Card 7.1 High Definition onboard sound card Monitor(s) Displays 22" LG FULL HD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Deluxe Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX620 Cordless mouse PSU 550W Case XGS Gaming Chassis - Midi Tower Cooling Standard fans Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive with 32MB Buffer Internet Speed 20 meg Antivirus MSE Browser IE9 |
31 Dec 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit Colchester Essex |
Cmos cleared, no change | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Mesh XGS I7 OS Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit CPU Intel® Core™ i7 860 Quad Core Processor (2.80GHz, 8MB Cache) Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX Mainboard - Intel Core™ i5 / i7 - LGA 1156 / A Memory 16GB 1600MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM, Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card 1GB ATI Radeon HD5750 Sound Card 7.1 High Definition onboard sound card Monitor(s) Displays 22" LG FULL HD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Deluxe Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX620 Cordless mouse PSU 550W Case XGS Gaming Chassis - Midi Tower Cooling Standard fans Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive with 32MB Buffer Internet Speed 20 meg Antivirus MSE Browser IE9 |
31 Dec 2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 In The Woods |
When you disconnected everything down to the CPU you get a beep code. This is most likely a "no RAM detected" error code.
Now you install the RAM and it won't boot (no activity, no beeping).
This indicates that the problem is the RAM. It could be a failed stick, or it could be a failed slot. If you replaced the motherboard then that would pretty much eliminate the bad slot (still a theoretical possibility but pretty damned small!). So your diagnostic work so far indicates a bad stick of RAM.
Try running on just one stick of RAM. Then switch it out for the next stick. Do all the sticks one at a time.
When you get a beep code with only the processor installed it indicates the processor is good. You would not get the "no RAM" beep code if there was a problem with the processor.
EDIT: Obviously, your "My System Specs" are not for the problem PC. Might be helpful to know what the major components are in the problem PC should further diagnoses be necessary. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built - Jan 2013 OS Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 CPU i7-3820 Motherboard Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 3305 Memory GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 310.90 Sound Card On board Realtek ALC898 Monitor(s) Displays Acer S271HL Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS KC-0405 Mouse Intellimouse 5-button PSU Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic) Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives #1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
#2- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black
#3- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black Internet Speed 25Mbits/Sec (on a good day) Antivirus Avast & Malwarebytes Browser Firefox Other Info Asus DVD - DRW-24B1ST 24X |
31 Dec 2010
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#7 | | Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit Colchester Essex |

Quote: Originally Posted by TVeblen When you disconnected everything down to the CPU you get a beep code. This is most likely a "no RAM detected" error code.
Now you install the RAM and it won't boot (no activity, no beeping).
This indicates that the problem is the RAM. It could be a failed stick, or it could be a failed slot. If you replaced the motherboard then that would pretty much eliminate the bad slot (still a theoretical possibility but pretty damned small!). So your diagnostic work so far indicates a bad stick of RAM.
Try running on just one stick of RAM. Then switch it out for the next stick. Do all the sticks one at a time.
When you get a beep code with only the processor installed it indicates the processor is good. You would not get the "no RAM" beep code if there was a problem with the processor.
EDIT: Obviously, your "My System Specs" are not for the problem PC. Might be helpful to know what the major components are in the problem PC should further diagnoses be necessary. Thanks.
As said, its a Presario S4490UK.
P4 2.8 HT processor.
Mobo is an Asus P4SD-LA. Cant provide Bios at the moment.
Two IDE HDD, and one IDE dvd Drive.
Original GPU back in at the moment of an ATI 9200.
Original PSU installed, but a replacement has been tried.
Replacement GPU tried, no change.
Stripped to a bare board of PSU, CPU & Ram, no change !
Cmos cleared.
Two sticks of DDR ram. Tried with each one in turn with no change
Totally stuck now ! | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Mesh XGS I7 OS Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit CPU Intel® Core™ i7 860 Quad Core Processor (2.80GHz, 8MB Cache) Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX Mainboard - Intel Core™ i5 / i7 - LGA 1156 / A Memory 16GB 1600MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM, Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card 1GB ATI Radeon HD5750 Sound Card 7.1 High Definition onboard sound card Monitor(s) Displays 22" LG FULL HD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Deluxe Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX620 Cordless mouse PSU 550W Case XGS Gaming Chassis - Midi Tower Cooling Standard fans Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive with 32MB Buffer Internet Speed 20 meg Antivirus MSE Browser IE9 |
31 Dec 2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit Colchester Essex |
Just took the Ram from another PC.
Same result | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Mesh XGS I7 OS Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit CPU Intel® Core™ i7 860 Quad Core Processor (2.80GHz, 8MB Cache) Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX Mainboard - Intel Core™ i5 / i7 - LGA 1156 / A Memory 16GB 1600MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM, Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card 1GB ATI Radeon HD5750 Sound Card 7.1 High Definition onboard sound card Monitor(s) Displays 22" LG FULL HD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Deluxe Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX620 Cordless mouse PSU 550W Case XGS Gaming Chassis - Midi Tower Cooling Standard fans Hard Drives 2 x 1TB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive with 32MB Buffer Internet Speed 20 meg Antivirus MSE Browser IE9 |
31 Dec 2010
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#9 | | Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 In The Woods |
You have done everything you should do to isolate the problem correctly. The fact that you have not found the cause is confusing.
When you run these tests is there a video card installed? I'm sure you just have MB, CPU and RAM, but just checking for my benefit.
I have to assume that a MB/case short circuit can be ruled out since you replaced the motherboard. The only other possible cause of a no post situation would be a short in the case wiring or switches. Can you check those? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built - Jan 2013 OS Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 CPU i7-3820 Motherboard Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 3305 Memory GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 310.90 Sound Card On board Realtek ALC898 Monitor(s) Displays Acer S271HL Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS KC-0405 Mouse Intellimouse 5-button PSU Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic) Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives #1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
#2- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black
#3- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black Internet Speed 25Mbits/Sec (on a good day) Antivirus Avast & Malwarebytes Browser Firefox Other Info Asus DVD - DRW-24B1ST 24X |
31 Dec 2010
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#10 | | Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 In The Woods |
OK. Just checked some info.
If you have only the Power Supply, MB, CPU (w/heatsink) installed and you get BIOS beep code, then add one RAM stick and get nothing (silence, no POST): It is possible that the RAM is shorting out the Power Supply (very rare). But why this would happen on 2 MBs and different RAM makes no sense.
Check the RAM sticks carefully for anything on the pins (dust, jelly, anything). Then check inside the RAM slots with a bright light and magnifying glass. Look for anything. Even a hair could conduct enough electricity to cause a short circuit. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built - Jan 2013 OS Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 CPU i7-3820 Motherboard Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 3305 Memory GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 310.90 Sound Card On board Realtek ALC898 Monitor(s) Displays Acer S271HL Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS KC-0405 Mouse Intellimouse 5-button PSU Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic) Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives #1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
#2- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black
#3- Western Digital WD1002FAEX Sata3 Black Internet Speed 25Mbits/Sec (on a good day) Antivirus Avast & Malwarebytes Browser Firefox Other Info Asus DVD - DRW-24B1ST 24X Old P4 Boot Nightmare ! problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:28 PM. | |