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09 Jan 2011   #11
James Colbert

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Here To Help View Post
If you read the fine print on almost all of the major firewall companies they do not support 64 bit browsers at all. They barely support 64 bit. Even Microsoft support of 64 bit is sometimes nonexistent. I know that for the most part 64 bit browsers are new but with the problems I have seen I think I can say that they have major security flaws.

I must say that I'm skeptical of your observations, since they seem to be based solely on personal experience. I had hoped that your response might contain some reliable, independent corroborative links.

64 bit browsers are not all that new, and Windows Firewall does support 64 bit, as does MSE and many other AV programs and firewalls. One software that doesn't support 64 bit is Flash, but that's a plus from a security viewpoint.

Perhaps someone will come along with information that will validate you and educate me. I'm always happy to be educated, even if in the process of being proven wrong. Still, I find it curious that a web site your company uses 'a lot' infected several of your company systems. Had this occurred at my company, I would be looking into system security and that of the sites frequented.

James


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09 Jan 2011   #12
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

My view is that prevention of trojans and phishing sites are not the responsibility of the browser. Fact : you are just as susceptible to trojans and or phishing in a x86 browser than a x64 browser. Perhaps even more so, since the majority of people still use x86 based browsers and so there is a proliferation of nefarious ActiveX and other plugins that just do not work under x64 (as James mentions above).

As for non-compatibility of x64 firewalls, you can have a look at these two lists to find AV suites (many bundle firewalls with their products) and other anti-malware products that are indeed x64 compatible:

Windows 7 Compatibility for Security: Firewall & Internet Security Software Programs: Download Software Updates

List of products - www.matousec.com

So, Im not sure where you get your information from. Would you care you provide some references?

Perhaps with that one problematic user you had, you can check to see whether UAC was turned off. Its well known, but seemingly not well remembered, that when UAC is turned off, then IE does NOT operate in Protected Mode -- both x86 and x64 IE browsers.

Regards,
Golden
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09 Jan 2011   #13
Here To Help

Windows 7 Pro x64 Bit
 
 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/03/protected_mode_bypass/

Thats one example that could be why I saw what I saw.At work we use norton internet security on all of our systems. Also I am unaware of any support for any 64 bit browsers from any anti virus programs. If there is please tell me.

I wish I could give your more links. I like having a good discussion. I admit I could be wrong and I could have seen something that may never happen again.
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10 Jan 2011   #14
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Hi,

In terms of support for x64 based anti-virus, anti-malware and firewalls, here are a few options:

Windows 7 Compatibility for Security: Firewall & Internet Security Software Programs: Download Software Updates

The browser side had me intrigued, and so I dug around a bit. You are absolutely correct : NIS does not offer any security for IE8 x64. See:

IE8 x64 Browser Protection using NIS2011 - Norton Community

There seems to be a push to get it implemented here:

Supporting 64-bit browsers - Page 2 - Norton Community

I was quite suprised by that, so well done on pointing that out. I wonder what the situation is with other browser protection suites that operaate oustide of a sandbox?

Out of interest, is there any reason you choose not to use the x86 (32 bit version of IE) given your concerns about the x64 version?

Regards,
Golden
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10 Jan 2011   #15
Here To Help

Windows 7 Pro x64 Bit
 
 

The people I work with alway want to use the newest and greatest thing as I said before. We alow are users to use what web browser that they chose. Howere after this had happened we made it A rule for are users not to use any x64 bit browsers until we said that they were ok. Which could be a long time. From a IT end of things it sucks.
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