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Windows 7: SATA III Controller Card

25 Jan 2011   #21
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

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You won't see much difference I am afraid, but I can see you are bound and determined
If I weren't, I would have given up on computers long ago. It is arduous path for a person like myself of limited financial means to attempt to get the most out of the least where computers are concerned. Unlike many, I never start out with buying a new rig, or all new components for one, I try to keep improvements as a continual series of steps with what I have. The computers that I have today are not what I started with a few years ago, but the transformation has been a slow steady change. I will probably always be well behind the state of the art, but I don't want to be left so far behind that my equipment becomes totally obsolete.


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26 Jan 2011   #22
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

I'm still hacking away at this, and I ran into another question to ask while browsing this page:

Controller Cards SATA 3 6Gb/s (SATA 3.0 - SATA III) - Volume Pricing

It appears that while there are a variety of configurations of these controllers, most of them are basically the same as far as basic performance. One thing that is spoken of that I don't really understand is port multipliers and FIS switching. The basic idea is simple enough, but how it is implimented is not. Does this mean that all of the hard drives are within one enclosure on one data cable, and the controller sorts out their signals, or is there some other hardware between the enclosure/drives and the controller required?

I've always wondered about this, because most motherboards with esata only have one connector. However, my ESATCASE2 enclosure has a separate cable for each drive bay. This is the reason that I never bothered with trying to use the motherboard's esata connector and used a controller card.
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26 Jan 2011   #23
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
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You won't see much difference I am afraid, but I can see you are bound and determined
If I weren't, I would have given up on computers long ago. It is arduous path for a person like myself of limited financial means to attempt to get the most out of the least where computers are concerned. Unlike many, I never start out with buying a new rig, or all new components for one, I try to keep improvements as a continual series of steps with what I have. The computers that I have today are not what I started with a few years ago, but the transformation has been a slow steady change. I will probably always be well behind the state of the art, but I don't want to be left so far behind that my equipment becomes totally obsolete.
This post makes complete sense to me. The last few sentences are the real meat and potatoes of your argument. In the case of taking external drives, getting a new SATA III drive, putting it into a SATA III enclosure and connecting it to a dedicated stand-alone SATA III controller card to me says "I want to be at state of the art". Rest assured by sticking to a SATA II drive, you aren't being left so far behind to become obsolete...you merely have what most regular users have as well as most techies.

I'm a techie, I do IT for a living. Have been living with and working on computers for 25+ years, over 12 of which I have done professionally for a living. I generally build up a complete new computer every 3 years on average. I never buy state of the art, I'm always a couple of clicks down from the top...as it saves me a bunch of money and 2-3 years down the road that really high priced option is just as outdated as the few clicks down compared to what is available. And it's pretty darn rare for me to upgrade my system much at all. I might add a hard drive, or maybe swap a video card over the 3 years...but that's about it. My new computers have historically always been new cases, the whole shebang. This way I can give the old computer to my kids, make it a new server, donate it to a friend, etc.

I generally don't upgrade along the way to get things like USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gbps because the improvement is often very, very small at the start. I mean in all honesty, a standard mechanical hard drive in a SATA 1.5Gbps interface versus a SATA 3.0Gpbs interface makes almost no difference whatsoever. Consider that SATA 1.5Gpbs offers about 150MB/sec through the interface...I've yet to see a mechanical hard drive (even the latest SATA 6.0Gpbs drives) that can offer that. And now we have a new standard, SATA 6.0Gbps which offers 4x the potential speed....but I beg...what is the point? (understanding completely well that an SSD changes the scope entirely.)


I wouldn't think upgrading a mechanical hard drive to SATA 6.0Gbps with a controller card will net any more than 5-10% improvement. And even at that, I don't find that I am standing around waiting for hours on end for my file copies to my external drive to complete as it is. I could easily hit the restroom, grab a snack and everything would be complete.

Your best bet, is to slap a 10,000 RPM 600GB Raptor drive into a SATA II port. You would get a bit more speed, quicker spindle access to data elsewhere and faster random access time. I wholeheartedly feel this would provide more benefit than going the SATA 6.0Gpbs route with a typical 7,200 RPM hard drive.
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26 Jan 2011   #24
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

I have been there and done that. I the end you spend more money incrementally improving older hardware and end up with with unsatisfactory limitations on performance. For example, I expect the PCI-e on your MB is PCI express 1.0, while PCI 2.0 is standard now and board with 3.0 are available. If you want SATA 6.0 technology at this point in time, the incremental way to do it would be getting a new Sandy Bridge MB and processor (and memory) that has native support for PCI-E 2.0, SATA III, USB 3.0, and many other advances. Now is the time to do that with the introduction of this next generation of hardware.

Otherwise save your money and wait until you want to make that leap.
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26 Jan 2011   #25
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
I have been there and done that. I the end you spend more money incrementally improving older hardware and end up with with unsatisfactory limitations on performance. For example, I expect the PCI-e on your MB is PCI express 1.0, while PCI 2.0 is standard now and board with 3.0 are available. If you want SATA 6.0 technology at this point in time, the incremental way to do it would be getting a new Sandy Bridge MB and processor (and memory) that has native support for PCI-E 2.0, SATA III, USB 3.0, and many other advances. Now is the time to do that with the introduction of this next generation of hardware.

Otherwise save your money and wait until you want to make that leap.
I would like to upgrade the MB, but unfortunately that would also require upgrading the CPU and RAM. Plus I would probably also have to replace a several cards, because of PCI-PCIe slot availability on new MBs. All of this adds up to more than I'm willing to shell out at this time. Besides, my closet is getting full of unused hardware as it is.

It would be easier to follow your advise, if you understood my mindset before offering it.
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26 Jan 2011   #26
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

Well good luck!
Gene
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26 Jan 2011   #27
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
I would like to upgrade the MB, but unfortunately that would also require upgrading the CPU and RAM. Plus I would probably also have to replace a several cards, because of PCI-PCIe slot availability on new MBs. All of this adds up to more than I'm willing to shell out at this time. Besides, my closet is getting full of unused hardware as it is.

It would be easier to follow your advise, if you understood my mindset before offering
it.
Right on...upgrading the PC to get all of the potential out of the hardware is costly and requires many parts. But it's the only way that you might "really" take advantage of the "full" miniscule difference right now with SATA 6.0Gbps over SATA 3.0Gbps utilizing standard hard drives.

Since you know right now, you aren't willing or able to jump through all of those hoops for the full benefit, it seems rather futile to put time and money into new drives, new enclosures and new controller cards to try to eek out even a smaller difference because other components will be holding you back.

So, if 10% is the max difference by rebuilding your whole machine...perhaps you would be looking at less than 2% of a difference with your current build. So, if your drive runs at 70MB/sec now...is it worth a 2% jump to 71.4MB/sec. I would think not...but that is your choice.
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