| Windows 7: Hard Drive Advise |
10 Apr 2011
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#11 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
I hope that you didn't buy any of the Seagate 7200.11 drives while you had your eyes closed, because it is a well known fact that these drives are generally lemons. I do not have the advantage that a technician has, with being able to see patterns in their customer's problems with components...that is why I ask questions such as this, because some of you on this forum do.
I know that one private person's experience, such as mine is not enough to judge an entire product line, and I might even forgive a company for producing a bad lot of drives, IF they properly rectified the problem, by replacing them with good replacements, but that is something, that in my experience, Seagate has not done with the 7200.11s. This fact is sufficient for me not to trust any of their other products, regardless of other's individual satisfactory experience. This may change in time, but not quickly, and not without reason.
I had similar experience with WD drives, as far as high failure rates, which kept me from buying their products, but that could have been due to incredibly bad luck on my part. That is the reason that I bought these FAEXs. It is possible that I'm over reacting, but I do know that these drives are over priced, they produce unusual rattley noise when under a load, and that I have bad sectors on two out of 3 of the one that I own. I do not know how well WDC handles their RMA process, but I am sure that it will not cure the noise problem, because that is just the way that these drives are.
I might buy some other WDC drive, but it will not be a decision that I will make hastily, and not without something more that one person's experience. Of course, one person's experience is all that most of us can post, but when I see sufficient post counts that agree, that is a witness that I am able to use in my decision process.
For these reasons, endorsements of brand names don't mean too much to me, because their is no brand that is all good, or all bad. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
10 Apr 2011
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#12 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed Currently the lowest failure rate I know of are intel made ssd's.
It's something it's nearly impossible to get really solid data on though. You look at any company that's been around and making stuff long enough and you are going to see increasing failure numbers as they have more drives out there that are 6+ years old and just due to start screwing up.
I personally use mostly WD drives. Even though I have had a couple of them fail along the way, they have been the least problematic overall. If I could afford to go that route, I probably would, but SSDs are too expensive for me, especially considering their price/size ratio. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
10 Apr 2011
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#13 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister I hope that you didn't buy any of the Seagate 7200.11 drives while you had your eyes closed, because it is a well known fact that these drives are generally lemons. I do not have the advantage that a technician has, with being able to see patterns in their customer's problems with components...that is why I ask questions such as this, because some of you on this forum do.
I know that one private person's experience, such as mine is not enough to judge an entire product line, and I might even forgive a company for producing a bad lot of drives, IF they properly rectified the problem, by replacing them with good replacements, but that is something, that in my experience, Seagate has not done with the 7200.11s. This fact is sufficient for me not to trust any of their other products, regardless of other's individual satisfactory experience. This may change in time, but not quickly, and not without reason.
I had similar experience with WD drives, as far as high failure rates, which kept me from buying their products, but that could have been due to incredibly bad luck on my part. That is the reason that I bought these FAEXs. It is possible that I'm over reacting, but I do know that these drives are over priced, they produce unusual rattley noise when under a load, and that I have bad sectors on two out of 3 of the one that I own. I do not know how well WDC handles their RMA process, but I am sure that it will not cure the noise problem, because that is just the way that these drives are.
I might buy some other WDC drive, but it will not be a decision that I will make hastily, and not without something more that one person's experience. Of course, one person's experience is all that most of us can post, but when I see sufficient post counts that agree, that is a witness that I am able to use in my decision process.
For these reasons, endorsements of brand names don't mean too much to me, because their is no brand that is all good, or all bad.
I have a hard drive 7200.11 series. Once bought, I found that there was a firmware update available. I updated the firmware and it's been three years without problems. And my eyes are wide shut! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number WALLONN7 / LIN BLACK SERIES II OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU AMD PHENOM II X6 1090T 3.2GHz Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD7 Memory 8GB G.SKILL RIPJAWS - F3-10666CL7D Graphics Card SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON HD 5870 VAPOR X OC Sound Card REALTEK DOLBY HOME THEATER Monitor(s) Displays LED LG W2486L Screen Resolution 1080p Keyboard MICROSOFT DIGITAL MEDIA KEYBOARD 3000 - USB Mouse MICROSOFT BASIC OPTICAL MOUSE 2.0 - USB PSU ZALMAN ZM1000-HP 1000W Case THERMALTAKE XASER VI VG4000SWA Cooling 140MM x3 / 120MM x1 AIR COOLING - THERMALTAKE Hard Drives SEAGATE 1TB -ST31000528AS - AHCI MODE - AS SATA Internet Speed 600KBPS Other Info MICROSOFT XBOX 360 CONTROLLER |
10 Apr 2011
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#14 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
Yes, but that firmware update only applies to a portion of the 7200.11s, not mine. I'm glad that your drive has held up so far, but that should be the case with the majority of the drives of that catagory, not just a select few. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
11 Apr 2011
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#15 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |
Maybe I'm a lucky guy, just that ... 
Last edited by Wallonn7; 11 Apr 2011 at 11:06 AM..
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number WALLONN7 / LIN BLACK SERIES II OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU AMD PHENOM II X6 1090T 3.2GHz Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD7 Memory 8GB G.SKILL RIPJAWS - F3-10666CL7D Graphics Card SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON HD 5870 VAPOR X OC Sound Card REALTEK DOLBY HOME THEATER Monitor(s) Displays LED LG W2486L Screen Resolution 1080p Keyboard MICROSOFT DIGITAL MEDIA KEYBOARD 3000 - USB Mouse MICROSOFT BASIC OPTICAL MOUSE 2.0 - USB PSU ZALMAN ZM1000-HP 1000W Case THERMALTAKE XASER VI VG4000SWA Cooling 140MM x3 / 120MM x1 AIR COOLING - THERMALTAKE Hard Drives SEAGATE 1TB -ST31000528AS - AHCI MODE - AS SATA Internet Speed 600KBPS Other Info MICROSOFT XBOX 360 CONTROLLER |
11 Apr 2011
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#16 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit (build 6701) sp1 Marikina |
well if you're not into a speed and you are more on a storage use only, try using a a bit lower speed, you mentioned that you have 7200.11 why don't you try the 7200.9 or 7200.10 my 2 160GB Seagate drives serves me for about 3yrs now. and no bad sectors. and by the way if you format the drive a lot, try to avoid it. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit (build 6701) sp1 CPU AMD Athlon II x3 440 3.0Ghz Motherboard ECS GeForce6100PM-M2 Memory 4GB 800Mhz DDR2 Dual Channel Graphics Card Nvidia 8500GT 512MB 128bit Sound Card Built-in Realtek HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays AoC CRT Screen Resolution 1024x768 Keyboard CD-R KING, H-Series Mouse A4-tech PSU Ocean 450W Dual-Rail Case Stock Casing Cooling Stock cooling system Hard Drives 160GB Hitachi SATA
320GB Seagate 7200rpm IDE Internet Speed 1MBps |
11 Apr 2011
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#17 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister 
Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed Currently the lowest failure rate I know of are intel made ssd's.
It's something it's nearly impossible to get really solid data on though. You look at any company that's been around and making stuff long enough and you are going to see increasing failure numbers as they have more drives out there that are 6+ years old and just due to start screwing up.
I personally use mostly WD drives. Even though I have had a couple of them fail along the way, they have been the least problematic overall. If I could afford to go that route, I probably would, but SSDs are too expensive for me, especially considering their price/size ratio. If you're going to get a spinner get a Western Digital Caviar Black. Very good drive, however stay away from the 64 meg SATA 3 blacks, they're noisy as hell....
- SATA 6 WD Caviar Black 1TB
- Velociraptor
At any rate in all my years (since 1998) of using Western Digital I've only had 2 go bad, though they never "completely" failed. This speaks of Western Digital's consistency in reliability.
My two cents. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
11 Apr 2011
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#18 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 
Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister 
Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed Currently the lowest failure rate I know of are intel made ssd's.
It's something it's nearly impossible to get really solid data on though. You look at any company that's been around and making stuff long enough and you are going to see increasing failure numbers as they have more drives out there that are 6+ years old and just due to start screwing up.
I personally use mostly WD drives. Even though I have had a couple of them fail along the way, they have been the least problematic overall. If I could afford to go that route, I probably would, but SSDs are too expensive for me, especially considering their price/size ratio. If you're going to get a spinner get a Western Digital Caviar Black. Very good drive, however stay away from the 64 meg SATA 3 blacks, they're noisy as hell....
- SATA 6 WD Caviar Black 1TB
- Velociraptor
At any rate in all my years (since 1998) of using Western Digital I've only had 2 go bad, though they never "completely" failed. This speaks of Western Digital's consistency in reliability.
My two cents. I can easily agree with you on that, because the FAEXs that I mentioned are SATA 3s. I'm not sure if your velociraptor link is an endorsement or a warning, but it doesn't matter, because they cost too much for me. Your history with WDC drives has been much better than my own. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
11 Apr 2011
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#19 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by jademoore6 well if you're not into a speed and you are more on a storage use only, try using a a bit lower speed, you mentioned that you have 7200.11 why don't you try the 7200.9 or 7200.10 my 2 160GB Seagate drives serves me for about 3yrs now. and no bad sectors. and by the way if you format the drive a lot, try to avoid it. My 2TB WDC is a slower drive that is used for video storage and it is fine for that purpose. I think that its lower speed is an advantage me, because it resides in an external case, that even though it has a fan, a drive runs hotter than it would internally. I'm hoping that its lower speed/temp will promote it's life expectancy.
As for the other models, I would need something more than just a general suggestion. 160GB would be sufficient, if I only used it for the OS, but I kind of like having a couple of extra partitions. That is why I have targeted a 500GB drive.
EDIT: It just sunk in that you were speaking of Seagate drives, I'm not ready to go in that direction at the moment. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
11 Apr 2011
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#20 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 ...turn around. |
Im using an internal Seagate Barracuda 120GB HDD that I got for free at work since it was refurbished - no problems whatsoever, and that IS a refurbished model!
Also, my PC is set up to have just Windows 7, and a few essential programs on that drive, and I use an external drive for storing all my main data - brand? Seagate.
You more than likely have bad luck, but I'd check your motherboard health to be sure, because it could be whats killing the drives.
It could also be a faulty drive controller chip on the board thats killing your drives. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Spitfire X (Custom Rig) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 CPU Intel Pentium E5500 Dual Core 2.8GHz OC'd @3.2GHz Motherboard AsRock G31M-S R2.0 Memory 4GB Corsair DDR2 800MHz (2x2GB) Graphics Card Inno 3D Geforce GT 440 1GB Sound Card Realtek ALC662 Audio w/ Logitech Z506 5.1 Surround Speakers Monitor(s) Displays BenQ G2220HDA 21.5" Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 (1080p) Keyboard Logitech Ultra Flat Keyboard PN 967653-0100 Mouse Trust GXT 14S Gaming Mouse PSU Antec High Current Gamer HCG-520w Case Antec One Hundred Cooling 140 mm Roof Fan, 120mm Rear Fan, 120mm Frontal Fan Hard Drives OS: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 250GB
Data and Programs: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB Other Info 2x10cm Blue LED strips inside case Hard Drive Advise problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:28 PM. | |