| Windows 7: A whole bunch of hardware questions - assistance greatly appreciated! |
13 Apr 2011
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#1 | | Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 |
A whole bunch of hardware questions - assistance greatly appreciated! Hello all!
I am considering building my first computer from scratch not exactly soon, but some time. I am quite a hardware noob, and so have been reading lots of stuff online, but I still have a few questions. I would be immensely grateful to anybody who helps me with any of them. Sorry for having so many!
1: In the £250 range, who are better, Intel, or AMD, or is this just benchmark differences, and I honestly wouldn't notice the difference (I think that I wouldn't notice it?)
2: Some people say that AMD and ATI work better together than Intel and ATI. Again, is this just benchmark stuff, or should I actually consider trying to match up AMD and ATI?
3: Is all thermal paste from a vaguely decent manufacturer created equal?
4: Is it possible to have too many Watts? I quite like the look of 750/850W to give me room to expand.
5: Are Corsair and Antec PSUs any good?
Thanks a lot, everyone! I really do appreciate what you kind people do and know!
Richard | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz Motherboard Stock Dell 0TP406 Memory 4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes) Monitor(s) Displays 1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen Screen Resolution 1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204 Keyboard Dell Bluetooth Mouse Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up) Case Dell XPS 420 Cooling Stock Fan Hard Drives 1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device Internet Speed Varies from 10kb/s to 170kb/s. So unreliable it is not funny Other Info ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6) |
13 Apr 2011
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#2 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by niemiro Hello all!
I am considering building my first computer from scratch not exactly soon, but some time. I am quite a hardware noob, and so have been reading lots of stuff online, but I still have a few questions. I would be immensely grateful to anybody who helps me with any of them. Sorry for having so many!
1: In the £250 range, who are better, Intel, or AMD, or is this just benchmark differences, and I honestly wouldn't notice the difference (I think that I wouldn't notice it?)
2: Some people say that AMD and ATI work better together than Intel and ATI. Again, is this just benchmark stuff, or should I actually consider trying to match up AMD and ATI?
3: Is all thermal paste from a vaguely decent manufacturer created equal?
4: Is it possible to have too many Watts? I quite like the look of 750/850W to give me room to expand.
5: Are Corsair and Antec PSUs any good?
Thanks a lot, everyone! I really do appreciate what you kind people do and know!
Richard
1: Speaking of CPU prices only, AMD is very competitive in the lower area--say at $100 US and under. Intel dominates among higher price CPUs.
3: Pretty much. You might get a couple of degrees difference, but you can get that much difference or more simply by how well or poorly you apply it. The standard recommendation is Arctic Silver 5.
4: It's easily possibly to buy too many watts and to buy a poor quality PSU. If 400 of something is good, then surely 800 is twice as good. Right? Buying unnecessary power is very common. You'd just be wasting money. Make an estimate of how much power your chosen hardware will actually use and then buy an efficient PSU from a highly reliable manufacturer.
5: Generally yes. Some models are better than others. Some are more efficient than others. Some are quieter than others. Seasonic is another good brand. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
13 Apr 2011
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 Doncaster, UK |
Hi Richard,
1. For a while, AMD were certainly in the lead here, mainly because the memory controller was integrated on the CPU die whereas Intel still used the Northbridge as a memory controller/interface. Since then, Intel has also brought the memory controller on-chip, so the differences aren't quite so clear cut. The choice of CPU brand will depend on a couple of factors, namely cost and the motherboard you choose.
2. AMD and ATI are now part of the same stable, so in theory they should work better together. In practice, it shouldn't make any difference.
3. Yes and no. Broadly speaking it is, but you should use thermal paste from a reputable manufacturer (such as Arctic Silver) and apply it according to the instructions.
4. It is better to have a PSU capable of pumping out more power than you actually need - a PSU rated at 750W drawing a load of 450W is going to run cooler and last longer than the same model only rated at 500W. Plus it means that you have some headroom for possible hardware upgrades.
5. I would read the reviews of the various PSUs available, and also see what feedback they have from users who have them installed. I would consider using a modular PSU since you only need to connect the cables required, allowing for better cable management and system cooling. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dwarf Dwf/11/2012 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 CPU Intel Core-i5-3570K 4-core @ 3.4GHz (Ivy Bridge) (OC 4.2GHz) Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M Memory 4 x 4GB DDR3-1600 Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (16GB) Graphics Card 2 x AMD Radeon HD7770 1GB CrossFired (OC 1100MHz/1250MHz) Sound Card Realtek High Definition on board solution (ALC 898) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VA1912w Widescreen (VGA) Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 3000 (USB) Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 for Business (USB) PSU XFX Pro Series 850W Semi-Modular Case Gigabyte IF233 Cooling 1 x 120mm Front Inlet 1 x 120mm Rear Exhaust Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 SSD 120GB SATA III x2 (RAID 0)
Samsung HD501LJ 500GB SATA II x2
Hitachi HDS721010CLA332 1TB SATA II
Iomega 1.5TB Ext USB 2.0
WD 2.0TB Ext USB 3.0 Internet Speed NetGear DG834Gv3 ADSL Modem/Router (Ethernet) ~4.0 Mb/s (O2) Antivirus Avast! 7.0.1474 Browser IE 9 Other Info Optical Drive: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH10LS30 SATA Bluray
Lexmark S305 Printer/Scanner/Copier (USB)
CTF-430 Tablet & Pen
WEI Score: 7.7/7.9/7.4/7.4/7.9
Asus Eee PC 1011PX Netbook (Windows 7 x86 Starter) |
13 Apr 2011
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#4 | | Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 In The Woods |
1. This tends to be a moving target. Because the 2 companies compete fiercely, what is true this week may not be true next week. The best you can expect is to buy the best platform at the moment you are making your purchase. I suggest making the decision on a cost/benefit basis.
Because of the common CPU marketing strategy in both companies, the most recent, flagship processors enter the market at peak prices. The current 6 core intel i7 is (was) $1000 US, for example. The older processors, that used to be priced at the peak, then drop down. This is where you can find your best "bang for the buck".
Also: some processors perform better for certain tasks in benchmark tests. One may excel at video compiling or CAD applications, while another may not but have much better gaming scores.
2. No company is going to intentionally make a product that will not run well on 1/2 of the worlds PCs. The only issue I am aware of is the handling of drivers. The sad tales I have read have had more to do with the misuse of cleaning programs and the misunderstanding of a chipset driver and a graphics driver.
3. Yes, but. For normal use a well respected brand of thermal paste will work just fine. But it you are intending to do any overclocking then the performance of the thermal paste becomes much more important and can justify the higher price for the top line stuff.
4. No. But you can waste them! I like to buy my supplies to produce the max wattage that is calculated multiplied by 2 (a few calculators are available on PS manufacturers sites). So if I calculate I need 346 watts I'll buy a 650W or 750W supply. As well as headroom for future expansion, power supplies lose strength as they get older. I believe you get more life out of one if they don't have to work too hard.
5. This is a moving target also. Both Corsair and Antec farm their supplies out to manufacturer's to be built to their specs. Antec tends to change manufacturers often. I'm not up on Corsair. For instance Seasonic was making Antec's True Power supplies for a while. This is a very hard product to shop for intelligently for this reason - unless you have a degree in electrical engineering and the product's white sheets.
I go by customer reviews. These tend to give a good snapshot of problematic products. I have a Corsair. Two years old and still running.
Last edited by TVeblen; 13 Apr 2011 at 05:13 PM..
| My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built - Jan 2013 OS Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 CPU i7-3820 Motherboard Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 3305 Memory GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 310.90 Sound Card On board Realtek ALC898 Monitor(s) Displays Acer S271HL Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS KC-0405 Mouse Intellimouse 5-button PSU Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic) Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives #1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
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20 Apr 2011
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#5 | | Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 |
Hello all!
First, I would like to sincerely apologise for the delay in responding. My family has not been very well, and I had to take a few days of leave. I really need to go now, but I have read all of your replies, and I do greatly appreciate your responses. Basically, you have answered all of my questions perfectly, and so a massive thank you to all three of you! I shall send you all a proper reply tomorrow when I shall be slightly less rushed!
Thank you all so much again!
Richard | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz Motherboard Stock Dell 0TP406 Memory 4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes) Monitor(s) Displays 1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen Screen Resolution 1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204 Keyboard Dell Bluetooth Mouse Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up) Case Dell XPS 420 Cooling Stock Fan Hard Drives 1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device Internet Speed Varies from 10kb/s to 170kb/s. So unreliable it is not funny Other Info ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6) |
20 Apr 2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
I will work on just a few.
3/ Arctic has been doing a great job for years. Go to there web site for instruction on how to use it.
4/5. If you need 400 w and you are using a 400w power supply of quality then you are working it very hard. If you install a 650w power supply it will just coast along enjoying a long life. Plus if down the road you want to add something you have the power. Another power supply you might want to look at are Seasonic. Corsair and Antec are rated high in quality. Some of Antec and Corsair are made by Seasonic.
You can't have to much power if your pocket book will allow it. Your computer will only use what it needs. The rest of the watts is there if your computer needs more for what ever reason. My power supply cost more that my mother board. More than my video card. More than My than tower. Corsair AX-850 I don't think the fan ever comes on. The power supply is wheir all good computer start. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
Seagate 1TB SATA 600 7200 rpm Hard Drive Internet Speed 3.0 mb Antivirus Microsoft Security Eesentials Browser I.E. 10 default/Firefox Other Info LG BluRay-Read/Write
Sound system
KLipsch-THX
Asus Router RTN-12
2 Noctua 140 added on top of 600t case
Malwarebytes Anti Malware Professional
Windows 7 Firewall |
25 Apr 2011
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#7 | | windows 7 ultimate 64 bit |
Watch out for the old....800WATTS!!!....then in small print....for 30 seconds.... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number homemade OS windows 7 ultimate 64 bit CPU FX 8350@4300mhz COOLER MASTER Seidon 120M water cooler Motherboard ASRock 990FX Extreme4 AM3+ Memory 16gb Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600 Graphics Card Sapphire 5850 & XFX 5850 crossfire Monitor(s) Displays hanns g 1680X1050 Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard z merc Mouse Logitech wireless m705 PSU dual Antec 650 & Rosewill 530 watt continuous Case homemade Cooling 4 120mm@50cfm each/2 120mm@90cfm Hard Drives ADATA 256 gig SSD + 2 junk Internet Speed dsl |
25 Apr 2011
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#8 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
I have normally used Arctic Silver for the CPU, but after lapping the heatsink once, so that it was a perfectly flat mirror, I found that after only a short time, that the electrolysis had etched the outline of the CPU on it, and each time that I checked later, it got worse. It is my understanding that Arctic Silver does not block electrolysis, and that Ceramique does. I think that Ceramique doesn't provide quite as good of heat transfer, but then neither does pitting of the mating surfaces. I have not tried Ceramique on a CPU yet, but I shall the next time I need to paste the CPU. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
25 Apr 2011
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#9 | | Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 |
Good day to you all!
Thank yoy so, so much for all of your answers. I apologise again for the delay, and I do greatly appreciate the time you spent. I think I understand now. You have made perfect sense (eEen to the hardware half of me! That is impressive!) and I don't have any more questions (yet! I shall be back!).
Thank you all, again,
Richard | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Vista Home Premium x86 SP2 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz Motherboard Stock Dell 0TP406 Memory 4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes) Monitor(s) Displays 1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen Screen Resolution 1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204 Keyboard Dell Bluetooth Mouse Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up) Case Dell XPS 420 Cooling Stock Fan Hard Drives 1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device Internet Speed Varies from 10kb/s to 170kb/s. So unreliable it is not funny Other Info ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6) A whole bunch of hardware questions - assistance greatly appreciated! problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:39 PM. | |