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Windows 7: Backup Failure

21 Apr 2011   #11
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I would run chkdsk /f /r to repair the block. It could have an impact if e.g. it was inside the MFT which sits up there somewhere.
Agreed. And succinctly put!

EDIT: ( But you still have to format the drive. chkdsk wont work on an unformatted drive).

Regards....Mike Connor


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21 Apr 2011   #12
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Wallonn7,

Another aspect of consideration is whether using HDD Regenerator would have any impact on whether a warranty would be voided by it's use? The hard drive in question is probably going to go for RMA, but I wanted to use it temporarily for experimental purposes.
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21 Apr 2011   #13
Wallonn7

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I would run chkdsk /f /r to repair the block. It could have an impact if e.g. it was inside the MFT which sits up there somewhere.
Behold the simplicity of rationality is interposed between the passion and the theory.
Shrewd intervention, whs!
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21 Apr 2011   #14
Shootist

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
I can understand how multiple platters would effect the interpretation of physical location, but wouldn't the displayed location, like in my screenshot, have a bearing on read location. If that is true, it would be difficult to understand how a block displayed at the utmost rear of the drive could be involved in a partition at the beginning of the drive, with many GBs between them.
As Mike has said that bad block could be anywhere on the platters that make up the total drive. Just because HD Tune displays it near the end does not mean it is really at the end of the drive.
And that partition you created yourself or had TI create does not mean that partition isn't in the same area as the bad block.
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21 Apr 2011   #15
Wallonn7

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Wallonn7,

Another aspect of consideration is whether using HDD Regenerator would have any impact on whether a warranty would be voided by it's use? The hard drive in question is probably going to go for RMA, but I wanted to use it temporarily for experimental purposes.
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How it works
Almost 60% of all hard drives damaged with bad sectors have an incorrectly magnetized disk surface. We have developed an algorithm which is used to repair damaged disk surfaces. This technology is hardware independent, it supports many types of hard drives and repairs damage that even low-level disk formatting cannot repair. As a result, previously unreadable information will be restored. Because of the way the repair is made, the existing information on the disk drive will not be affected!
Can the HDD Regenerator repair your drive?
Almost 60 % of damaged hard disks can be repaired by regeneration. You can always download free demo version and try to regenerate the first found bad sector. The main purpose of the unregistered demo version is to display a report which contains information about the possibility to regenerate the entire disk by means of the registered full version. If the first found bad sector has been successfully regenerated, you can buy the product to regenerate all bad sectors on your hard drive. If the first bad sector has NOT been successfully regenerated, then replace your hard disk drive as soon as possible.
Important notes
Since the program does not change the logical structure of a hard drive, the file system may still show some sectors marked earlier as "bad", and other disk utilities such as Scandisk will detect logical bad sectors even though the disk has been successfully regenerated and is no longer damaged by physical bad sectors. If you want to remove these marks, repartition the hard disk drive.
Developer words.
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21 Apr 2011   #16
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

OKay, I will accept the concensus regarding location ambiguity, but I tend to doubt that methods to fix the block with something like chkdsk would work under the present circumstances, because that fix has to do with file system structure. Since TI will create a file system structure as part of it's recovery process, I would assume that it would replace any file system that was already in place, thus any fix in that file system, and TI would have the same problem with or without the fix...unless it was a permanent one, like with HDD Regenerator.
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21 Apr 2011   #17
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wallonn7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Wallonn7,

Another aspect of consideration is whether using HDD Regenerator would have any impact on whether a warranty would be voided by it's use? The hard drive in question is probably going to go for RMA, but I wanted to use it temporarily for experimental purposes.
Quote:
How it works
Almost 60% of all hard drives damaged with bad sectors have an incorrectly magnetized disk surface. We have developed an algorithm which is used to repair damaged disk surfaces. This technology is hardware independent, it supports many types of hard drives and repairs damage that even low-level disk formatting cannot repair. As a result, previously unreadable information will be restored. Because of the way the repair is made, the existing information on the disk drive will not be affected!
Can the HDD Regenerator repair your drive?
Almost 60 % of damaged hard disks can be repaired by regeneration. You can always download free demo version and try to regenerate the first found bad sector. The main purpose of the unregistered demo version is to display a report which contains information about the possibility to regenerate the entire disk by means of the registered full version. If the first found bad sector has been successfully regenerated, you can buy the product to regenerate all bad sectors on your hard drive. If the first bad sector has NOT been successfully regenerated, then replace your hard disk drive as soon as possible.
Important notes
Since the program does not change the logical structure of a hard drive, the file system may still show some sectors marked earlier as "bad", and other disk utilities such as Scandisk will detect logical bad sectors even though the disk has been successfully regenerated and is no longer damaged by physical bad sectors. If you want to remove these marks, repartition the hard disk drive.
Developer words.
Hmm, it talks about the first bad sector, not the first bad block. a sector is a very small area in comparison. Therefore, unless one paid for this program, all that it would accomplish is basically a diagnosis.
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21 Apr 2011   #18
Shootist

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

As has been stated a full format of the drive, not quick format, will mark all bad areas of the drive as not in use and will ignore, skip over, them when installing software or loading a image on the drive.

No real need for a add on program as there is no program that can make a bad block/sector/whatever good again. It is a flaw in the media.

Now the real question is will this spread? It has been my experience that once a drive starts to get bad areas it mean the drive is starting to fail.

Might be best to run the drive maker diagnostic program and see what it comes up with.
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21 Apr 2011   #19
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
OKay, I will accept the concensus regarding location ambiguity, but I tend to doubt that methods to fix the block with something like chkdsk would work under the present circumstances, because that fix has to do with file system structure. Since TI will create a file system structure as part of it's recovery process, I would assume that it would replace any file system that was already in place, thus any fix in that file system, and TI would have the same problem with or without the fix...unless it was a permanent one, like with HDD Regenerator.
True image, or indeed any other image program, do not create file structures as such, they simply restore an image.

If you have a damaged block somewhere then the write can fail because the program can not write to a damaged block. If you format the disk, that damaged block no longer exists for the system and operations will then succeed.

Chkdsk would work, but only if the disk is formatted. It wont work on raw disks.

Nobody can complain about you formatting a disk. But I don't know about various regeneration methods. Although, if you return the disk as defective, then I don't suppose they will even bother looking at it, it will land straight in the recycle bin

Regards....Mike Connor
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21 Apr 2011   #20
Shootist

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
OKay, I will accept the concensus regarding location ambiguity, but I tend to doubt that methods to fix the block with something like chkdsk would work under the present circumstances, because that fix has to do with file system structure. Since TI will create a file system structure as part of it's recovery process, I would assume that it would replace any file system that was already in place, thus any fix in that file system, and TI would have the same problem with or without the fix...unless it was a permanent one, like with HDD Regenerator.
I believe that the bad sector marks, where it stores the info on what blocks are bad, are stored in a part of the disk that does not get written over by any partitioning, formatting and or file system structure.
Otherwise it would make no sense to mark these areas as bad.
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