| Windows 7: Backup Failure |
21 Apr 2011
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#11 | | Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |

Quote: Originally Posted by whs I would run chkdsk /f /r to repair the block. It could have an impact if e.g. it was inside the MFT which sits up there somewhere. Agreed. And succinctly put!
EDIT: ( But you still have to format the drive. chkdsk wont work on an unformatted drive).
Regards....Mike Connor | My System Specs |
| OS Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |
21 Apr 2011
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#12 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
Wallonn7,
Another aspect of consideration is whether using HDD Regenerator would have any impact on whether a warranty would be voided by it's use? The hard drive in question is probably going to go for RMA, but I wanted to use it temporarily for experimental purposes. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
21 Apr 2011
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#13 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by whs I would run chkdsk /f /r to repair the block. It could have an impact if e.g. it was inside the MFT which sits up there somewhere. Behold the simplicity of rationality is interposed between the passion and the theory.
Shrewd intervention, whs! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number WALLONN7 / LIN BLACK SERIES II OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU AMD PHENOM II X6 1090T 3.2GHz Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD7 Memory 8GB G.SKILL RIPJAWS - F3-10666CL7D Graphics Card SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON HD 5870 VAPOR X OC Sound Card REALTEK DOLBY HOME THEATER Monitor(s) Displays LED LG W2486L Screen Resolution 1080p Keyboard MICROSOFT DIGITAL MEDIA KEYBOARD 3000 - USB Mouse MICROSOFT BASIC OPTICAL MOUSE 2.0 - USB PSU ZALMAN ZM1000-HP 1000W Case THERMALTAKE XASER VI VG4000SWA Cooling 140MM x3 / 120MM x1 AIR COOLING - THERMALTAKE Hard Drives SEAGATE 1TB -ST31000528AS - AHCI MODE - AS SATA Internet Speed 600KBPS Other Info MICROSOFT XBOX 360 CONTROLLER |
21 Apr 2011
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#14 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister I can understand how multiple platters would effect the interpretation of physical location, but wouldn't the displayed location, like in my screenshot, have a bearing on read location. If that is true, it would be difficult to understand how a block displayed at the utmost rear of the drive could be involved in a partition at the beginning of the drive, with many GBs between them. As Mike has said that bad block could be anywhere on the platters that make up the total drive. Just because HD Tune displays it near the end does not mean it is really at the end of the drive.
And that partition you created yourself or had TI create does not mean that partition isn't in the same area as the bad block. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built be Me OS Windows 7 Pro x64 CPU i5 760 Motherboard Asus P7P55D-E Pro Memory 16GB Graphics Card Nvidia GTS450 Sound Card On board Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2007WFP Dell 1800FP Screen Resolution 1680x1050 1280x1024 Keyboard IBM Mouse MS PSU Antec 750 Case In Win Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Seagate 250GB & 750GB
WD 1TB |
21 Apr 2011
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#15 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister Wallonn7,
Another aspect of consideration is whether using HDD Regenerator would have any impact on whether a warranty would be voided by it's use? The hard drive in question is probably going to go for RMA, but I wanted to use it temporarily for experimental purposes. Quote: How it works
Almost 60% of all hard drives damaged with bad sectors have an incorrectly magnetized disk surface. We have developed an algorithm which is used to repair damaged disk surfaces. This technology is hardware independent, it supports many types of hard drives and repairs damage that even low-level disk formatting cannot repair. As a result, previously unreadable information will be restored. Because of the way the repair is made, the existing information on the disk drive will not be affected! Can the HDD Regenerator repair your drive?
Almost 60 % of damaged hard disks can be repaired by regeneration. You can always download free demo version and try to regenerate the first found bad sector. The main purpose of the unregistered demo version is to display a report which contains information about the possibility to regenerate the entire disk by means of the registered full version. If the first found bad sector has been successfully regenerated, you can buy the product to regenerate all bad sectors on your hard drive. If the first bad sector has NOT been successfully regenerated, then replace your hard disk drive as soon as possible. Important notes
Since the program does not change the logical structure of a hard drive, the file system may still show some sectors marked earlier as "bad", and other disk utilities such as Scandisk will detect logical bad sectors even though the disk has been successfully regenerated and is no longer damaged by physical bad sectors. If you want to remove these marks, repartition the hard disk drive. Developer words. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number WALLONN7 / LIN BLACK SERIES II OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU AMD PHENOM II X6 1090T 3.2GHz Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD7 Memory 8GB G.SKILL RIPJAWS - F3-10666CL7D Graphics Card SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON HD 5870 VAPOR X OC Sound Card REALTEK DOLBY HOME THEATER Monitor(s) Displays LED LG W2486L Screen Resolution 1080p Keyboard MICROSOFT DIGITAL MEDIA KEYBOARD 3000 - USB Mouse MICROSOFT BASIC OPTICAL MOUSE 2.0 - USB PSU ZALMAN ZM1000-HP 1000W Case THERMALTAKE XASER VI VG4000SWA Cooling 140MM x3 / 120MM x1 AIR COOLING - THERMALTAKE Hard Drives SEAGATE 1TB -ST31000528AS - AHCI MODE - AS SATA Internet Speed 600KBPS Other Info MICROSOFT XBOX 360 CONTROLLER |
21 Apr 2011
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#16 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
OKay, I will accept the concensus regarding location ambiguity, but I tend to doubt that methods to fix the block with something like chkdsk would work under the present circumstances, because that fix has to do with file system structure. Since TI will create a file system structure as part of it's recovery process, I would assume that it would replace any file system that was already in place, thus any fix in that file system, and TI would have the same problem with or without the fix...unless it was a permanent one, like with HDD Regenerator. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
21 Apr 2011
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#17 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by Wallonn7 
Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister Wallonn7,
Another aspect of consideration is whether using HDD Regenerator would have any impact on whether a warranty would be voided by it's use? The hard drive in question is probably going to go for RMA, but I wanted to use it temporarily for experimental purposes. Quote: How it works
Almost 60% of all hard drives damaged with bad sectors have an incorrectly magnetized disk surface. We have developed an algorithm which is used to repair damaged disk surfaces. This technology is hardware independent, it supports many types of hard drives and repairs damage that even low-level disk formatting cannot repair. As a result, previously unreadable information will be restored. Because of the way the repair is made, the existing information on the disk drive will not be affected! Can the HDD Regenerator repair your drive?
Almost 60 % of damaged hard disks can be repaired by regeneration. You can always download free demo version and try to regenerate the first found bad sector. The main purpose of the unregistered demo version is to display a report which contains information about the possibility to regenerate the entire disk by means of the registered full version. If the first found bad sector has been successfully regenerated, you can buy the product to regenerate all bad sectors on your hard drive. If the first bad sector has NOT been successfully regenerated, then replace your hard disk drive as soon as possible. Important notes
Since the program does not change the logical structure of a hard drive, the file system may still show some sectors marked earlier as "bad", and other disk utilities such as Scandisk will detect logical bad sectors even though the disk has been successfully regenerated and is no longer damaged by physical bad sectors. If you want to remove these marks, repartition the hard disk drive. Developer words.  Hmm, it talks about the first bad sector, not the first bad block. a sector is a very small area in comparison. Therefore, unless one paid for this program, all that it would accomplish is basically a diagnosis. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
21 Apr 2011
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#18 | | |
As has been stated a full format of the drive, not quick format, will mark all bad areas of the drive as not in use and will ignore, skip over, them when installing software or loading a image on the drive.
No real need for a add on program as there is no program that can make a bad block/sector/whatever good again. It is a flaw in the media.
Now the real question is will this spread? It has been my experience that once a drive starts to get bad areas it mean the drive is starting to fail.
Might be best to run the drive maker diagnostic program and see what it comes up with. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built be Me OS Windows 7 Pro x64 CPU i5 760 Motherboard Asus P7P55D-E Pro Memory 16GB Graphics Card Nvidia GTS450 Sound Card On board Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2007WFP Dell 1800FP Screen Resolution 1680x1050 1280x1024 Keyboard IBM Mouse MS PSU Antec 750 Case In Win Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Seagate 250GB & 750GB
WD 1TB |
21 Apr 2011
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#19 | | Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister OKay, I will accept the concensus regarding location ambiguity, but I tend to doubt that methods to fix the block with something like chkdsk would work under the present circumstances, because that fix has to do with file system structure. Since TI will create a file system structure as part of it's recovery process, I would assume that it would replace any file system that was already in place, thus any fix in that file system, and TI would have the same problem with or without the fix...unless it was a permanent one, like with HDD Regenerator. True image, or indeed any other image program, do not create file structures as such, they simply restore an image.
If you have a damaged block somewhere then the write can fail because the program can not write to a damaged block. If you format the disk, that damaged block no longer exists for the system and operations will then succeed.
Chkdsk would work, but only if the disk is formatted. It wont work on raw disks.
Nobody can complain about you formatting a disk. But I don't know about various regeneration methods. Although, if you return the disk as defective, then I don't suppose they will even bother looking at it, it will land straight in the recycle bin
Regards....Mike Connor | My System Specs | | OS Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate |
21 Apr 2011
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#20 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister OKay, I will accept the concensus regarding location ambiguity, but I tend to doubt that methods to fix the block with something like chkdsk would work under the present circumstances, because that fix has to do with file system structure. Since TI will create a file system structure as part of it's recovery process, I would assume that it would replace any file system that was already in place, thus any fix in that file system, and TI would have the same problem with or without the fix...unless it was a permanent one, like with HDD Regenerator. I believe that the bad sector marks, where it stores the info on what blocks are bad, are stored in a part of the disk that does not get written over by any partitioning, formatting and or file system structure.
Otherwise it would make no sense to mark these areas as bad. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built be Me OS Windows 7 Pro x64 CPU i5 760 Motherboard Asus P7P55D-E Pro Memory 16GB Graphics Card Nvidia GTS450 Sound Card On board Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2007WFP Dell 1800FP Screen Resolution 1680x1050 1280x1024 Keyboard IBM Mouse MS PSU Antec 750 Case In Win Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Seagate 250GB & 750GB
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