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Windows 7 - SSD advice please |
07-14-2011
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SSD advice please So since I have been on a PC upgrading binge lately, I was thinking of getting a couple of SSD drives and for the hell of it getting them set up in RAID 0. I know TRIM commands cannot be passed down to the SSD if it is in a RAID array but I have also been reading that if you get one of the nicer ones you could actually get away without TRIM and degradation of performance a la this link: Best SSD & HDD April 2011 | Hardware Revolution
I have an Asus P6t Deluxe V2 motherboard so I doubt I have SATA 3 so far I can see the best SSD I can get is the OCZ Vertex 2 120 GB. Is that a correct statement? I would like to get a pair of these slap them together in RAID 0 and see what's what. My current Velociraptor RAID 0 set up I am not sure but I am probably going to either set them aside or keep them in the machine either as another RAID 0 setup or just 2 separate drives. I am not worried about hard drive failures because I usually back everything up. Recommendations? Suggestions?
Oh yeah so far I am liking this one: Amazon.com: OCZ Technology 120 GB Vertex 2 Series SATA II 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive (SSD) OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G: Electronics | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 x64 Pro CPU Intel 990X Motherboard Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Memory CORSAIR XMS3 6GB SDRAM DDR3 1600 (7-7-7-20) Graphics Card 2 x BFG 285 GTX OCXs in SLI Sound Card X-fi Elite Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP LP 3065 Screen Resolution 2560 x 1600 Keyboard Saitek Eclipse II Mouse Logitech MX Revolution PSU PC Power & Cooling 750W Case CM Stacker 832 Cooling Stock cooler Hard Drives 2 x 150 gb Velociraptors RAID 0 |
07-14-2011
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#2 | | Windows 7 X64 Professional/Windows 8 |
There is really no advantage in Raid0 for SSDs unless you are going to be transfering 10GB files all day. Not only do you lose Trim, but for an OS drive the only things that really matter are 4kb reads and access times. Raid will not increase these at all. A good SSD will have a .1ms or less access time. That is instantly. You will not do better than that. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Brew - Always under construction OS Windows 7 X64 Professional/Windows 8 CPU intel i7-2600K Motherboard Asus P8Z68 V-Pro/GEN 3 Memory 8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3-2133 (2X4GB) Graphics Card EVGA 670 2GB Sound Card Asus Xonar Monitor(s) Displays Asus 24" LCD VW246H Screen Resolution 1920X1080 Keyboard Logitech G510 Mouse Logitech G500/Logitech Wireless PSU CORSAIR HX850W Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Corsair H100 w/ 4 noctua fans in push/pull. Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB,Crucial M4 64GB,Samsung HD103SJ 1TB, 1TB WD FAEX,Samsung 1.5TB, EXTERNAL HD- 2X Rosewill case esata w/ 1TB Samsung spinpoints & Black X esata 1TB Spinpoint, Rosewill USB 3.0 dock 1TB Spinpoint, Seagate GOFlex Pro 500GB & 750GB USB Internet Speed Foot Messenger speed Other Info 2nd Computer- Samsung RF711-SO1 17" Laptop i5-2310M, 8GB DDR3-1333, Crucial M4 and OCZ vertex2, Nvidia GT540M.Win 7 HP X64. |
07-15-2011
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |
Instead of buying two, you'd be better of spending that money on a larger single SSD, then having a large HDD for data storage. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS |
07-15-2011
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#4 | | Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora |
I can only agree with the two prior statements. SSDs in Raid0 make no sense at all. There may be a little sense in Raid1 if you want to do mirroring. But even there, I would rather go for a decent imaging strategy.
But if you have the money and ambition for 2 SSDs, get a 60GB for the OS and an e.g. 240GB for the data - without Raid.
And you are right, your board has only six 3Gb Sata ports. So a Gen3 SSD makes little sense. The Vertex2 is a goos choice. But read the customer reviews (e.g. on Newegg). There were a couple Vertex2 that were a bit iffy regarding reliability. Same with the Intel 320. Crucial is another good option. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway - 2 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to 2.5GHz Quad Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse terrible devices, who wants them Hard Drives 5x HDD, 2x SSD, 6x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
07-15-2011
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I am running two Vertex2 SSD's in RAID0 now since March, a lack of trim has not made any noticeable difference, and if it did I need about 20 mins to break my RAID, boot up into Vista that I have installed on another drive and do a secure erase on the SSD's. Once RAID is set up again I reload windows from a daily image.
All my SSD's are running the newest firmware 1.33 this is important!!
See my system specs for details.
Single Vertex2 Running in my laptop.
Single Vertex2 4Kb and 8 Mb read
Vertex2 RAID0
Vertex2 RAID0 4Kb and 8Mb read
I use two Samsung 1Tb drives in RAID0 for storage.
and amongst other disks 2 Samsung 1 Tb drives for backups over USB3
Last edited by pooch; 07-15-2011 at 11:53 AM..
Reason: added more
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Something I threw together OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core i7-2600K Motherboard Asus P8P67 Memory 16 GB G Skill F3-10666 CL9D-4GBRL Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 6870 Sound Card ATI Radeon HDMI / Realtek ALC892 Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 22" standard monitors / LG32LC56v TV to watch films Screen Resolution 1920 x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Mouse Hama M3110 / Logitech M305 PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Cable Management 750W Case Antec 300 Cooling Noctua NH-U12P SE2 and 5 120mm Case fans Hard Drives 2 x OCZ Vertex2 111.79GB
3 x Samsung103SJ
1 x Samsung103UJ
1 x WD3200BEVT
1 x Hitachi5K320-160 Internet Speed 16000 Other Info I have also used Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu Linux
And all other Windows from 95 to date except ME |
07-15-2011
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#6 | | Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora |
Interesting data. Thanks for posting. I still maintain that you probably see little difference for the OS - Raid or not. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway - 2 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to 2.5GHz Quad Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse terrible devices, who wants them Hard Drives 5x HDD, 2x SSD, 6x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
07-15-2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by whs Interesting data. Thanks for posting. I still maintain that you probably see little difference for the OS - Raid or not. You are welcome
Some more interesting facts. My desktop has a reboot time of around 50 seconds  and it is beaten by my laptop which reboots in a blazing 32 seconds. I put it down to the time taken to show the BIOS screens. so no win here!!
Where my desktop does excel though is the time taken to start programs even MS office is instantaneously open.
Scanning of my system (antivirus, spyware) is also blazingly fast.
Transferring data and the making and reloading of backups is another area where it is very noticeably faster.
Lastly it all runs so very smoothly, the difference may not be huge but it is still very noticeable | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Something I threw together OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core i7-2600K Motherboard Asus P8P67 Memory 16 GB G Skill F3-10666 CL9D-4GBRL Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 6870 Sound Card ATI Radeon HDMI / Realtek ALC892 Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 22" standard monitors / LG32LC56v TV to watch films Screen Resolution 1920 x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Mouse Hama M3110 / Logitech M305 PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Cable Management 750W Case Antec 300 Cooling Noctua NH-U12P SE2 and 5 120mm Case fans Hard Drives 2 x OCZ Vertex2 111.79GB
3 x Samsung103SJ
1 x Samsung103UJ
1 x WD3200BEVT
1 x Hitachi5K320-160 Internet Speed 16000 Other Info I have also used Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu Linux
And all other Windows from 95 to date except ME |
07-15-2011
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#8 | | Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora |
Yeah, I know. These buggers are fast. My Vaio laptop with a single Vertex2 boots in 16 seconds. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway - 2 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to 2.5GHz Quad Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse terrible devices, who wants them Hard Drives 5x HDD, 2x SSD, 6x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
07-15-2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by whs Yeah, I know. These buggers are fast. My Vaio laptop with a single Vertex2 boots in 16 seconds. Very nice  | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Something I threw together OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core i7-2600K Motherboard Asus P8P67 Memory 16 GB G Skill F3-10666 CL9D-4GBRL Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 6870 Sound Card ATI Radeon HDMI / Realtek ALC892 Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 22" standard monitors / LG32LC56v TV to watch films Screen Resolution 1920 x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Mouse Hama M3110 / Logitech M305 PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Cable Management 750W Case Antec 300 Cooling Noctua NH-U12P SE2 and 5 120mm Case fans Hard Drives 2 x OCZ Vertex2 111.79GB
3 x Samsung103SJ
1 x Samsung103UJ
1 x WD3200BEVT
1 x Hitachi5K320-160 Internet Speed 16000 Other Info I have also used Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu Linux
And all other Windows from 95 to date except ME SSD advice please problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:20 AM. |  |