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Windows 7 - brand of SSD matters |
08-11-2011
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#1 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
brand of SSD matters If you can afford it, an SSD is so incredibly awesome for Windows 7. The machine boots in 30 seconds; applications are turbocharged. It actually makes bloated Microsoft software enjoyable.
One thing is that I learned the hard way that the Micron SSDs (the RealSSD C300 256GB) do not play well with Windows 7. The Micron SSDs would freeze and cause Windows to crash, usually at inconvenient moments. This was not just one bad drive instance; to avoid the full system install with all of my apps and data, I tried doing system restore to move from one Micron drive to an identical drive. I did this three times. My guess is that it is something to do with the firmware; I checked - I had the latest firmware. Those three devices are going back to the reseller as defective.
Still not wanting to give up SSDs, I tried an Intel 300 GB drive and it works great. No crashes. Well, almost no crashes. I've found that if I set (in the Lenovo Thinkvantage Power manager) my CPU speed to highest, and then run an IO intensive job (a big unison for example across a big directory), Windows 7 crashes, slowly and painfully, as jobs die. My theory on this is that the SSD is so fast, that the CPU becomes the bottleneck, and is busy 100%, and slowly gets hot. Or maybe it is my DRAM getting hot. Whatever it is, the solution is to set the power settings to Adaptive. That stops the crash. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
08-11-2011
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I have no problem with my Micron based Crucial M4 (C300 successor) on Windows 7. No freezes, nada issues. Even with S3 sleep (with the latest firmware).
More likely your issues are with the SATA chipset on your motherboard and how the SSD maker's firmware works with the chipset, especially in power management. It is not Windows 7 that is a problem. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built (GeneO industries)/Model 2 OS Windows 7 64 bit SP1 CPU i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz, 1.256V 120 GFlop (with AVX) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4GBx4) 1600MHz G.skill Ripjaws X 8-8-8-24 Graphics Card Asus Nvidia ENGTS450, 1GB 4030 MHz DDR5 clock, 915 Mhz GPU Sound Card Onboard Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays NEC Spectraview 2490WUXi-SV Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 Keyboard HP Wireless Mouse HP wireless PSU Antec TruePower New 650W Case Fractal Design "Define R3" Cooling CM Hyper 212+ push/pull, 5 120mm, 1 140mm case fans Hard Drives Crucial 128GB M4 (system), 2x WD Caviar 1TB Black internal (data), 1x Seagate 750G Barracuda Internal (backups), 1x WD Blue 6Gb/s 320GB Internal, 1x Corsair F40 SSD for cache, 1x 2TB eSata WD20EARS Green, 2x 500GB Seagate external USB, 1x 350GB exte Internet Speed 25.7 Mb/s down, 4.5 Mb/s up Other Info USB 3.0 x4 , SATA III x4, eSATA x3, SATA II x4, USB 2.0 x8. 2 Samsung DVD R/W drives.
WEI: CPU 7.7, Memory 7.9, Graphics 7.4, Disk 7.9 |
08-11-2011
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#3 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
Sounds plausible. For the record, my laptop is a Lenovo X201, a year or so old. The Device manager reports that I have the driver Standard ACHI 1.0 Serial Driver for SATA. The driver is from Microsoft, so there's still a chance to blame Microsoft for the suffering I had with this! | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
08-11-2011
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X86 SP1 |
If you have a Lenovo supplied version of Win 7, you may be correct. http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Brittechnologies II OS Windows 7 Ultimate X86 SP1 CPU i5-2550K differing speeds depending on the day Motherboard ASUS P8X68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz, 4X4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans @1300 RPM Hard Drives TBA Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Other Info 5 fans, LG Bluray/R/RE, ASUS DVD/R/RW |
08-11-2011
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#5 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
Why would Lenovo Win 7 be a problem?
As it turns out, when I set up the Intel SSD I used an install disk from my IT department for Windows Enterprise; our company has a corporate subscription.
But when I was having problems with the Micron SSD that was with the Lenovo installed version.
That is an interesting variable I hadn't considered. What is it about Lenovo's Windows 7 that you are referring to? | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
08-11-2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X86 SP1 |
All OEM's modify Windows to their own liking and Lenovo's has shown to be fairly pesky with several things. They and HP add a lot of crapware too. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Brittechnologies II OS Windows 7 Ultimate X86 SP1 CPU i5-2550K differing speeds depending on the day Motherboard ASUS P8X68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz, 4X4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans @1300 RPM Hard Drives TBA Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Other Info 5 fans, LG Bluray/R/RE, ASUS DVD/R/RW |
08-12-2011
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#7 | | Windows 7 X64 Professional/Windows 8 |
I have 2 Crucial M4's and an Intel X25 and a Vertex2. I have had no problems with any of them. I have 2 in a Sandy Bridge desktop(M4 and Intel) and an M4 and the vertex2 in a Samsung Sandy Bridge Laptop. Neither setup has caused any problems with any of them. If you have an Intel laptop, install the IRST and try the iaStor AHCI driver. That may work better. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Brew - Always under construction OS Windows 7 X64 Professional/Windows 8 CPU intel i7-2600K Motherboard Asus P8Z68 V-Pro/GEN 3 Memory 8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3-2133 (2X4GB) Graphics Card EVGA 670 2GB Sound Card Asus Xonar Monitor(s) Displays Asus 24" LCD VW246H Screen Resolution 1920X1080 Keyboard Logitech G510 Mouse Logitech G500/Logitech Wireless PSU CORSAIR HX850W Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Corsair H100 w/ 4 noctua fans in push/pull. Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB,Crucial M4 64GB,Samsung HD103SJ 1TB, 1TB WD FAEX,Samsung 1.5TB, EXTERNAL HD- 2X Rosewill case esata w/ 1TB Samsung spinpoints & Black X esata 1TB Spinpoint, Rosewill USB 3.0 dock 1TB Spinpoint, Seagate GOFlex Pro 500GB & 750GB USB Internet Speed Foot Messenger speed Other Info 2nd Computer- Samsung RF711-SO1 17" Laptop i5-2310M, 8GB DDR3-1333, Crucial M4 and OCZ vertex2, Nvidia GT540M.Win 7 HP X64. |
08-15-2011
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#8 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
OK - I hope that saves someone else; my Crucial drives are on their way back to Micron. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
08-31-2011
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#9 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
So an update on the SSD saga. My Intel SSD failed over the weekend.
Luckily, I had a very recent system image so the overall impact hasn't been devastating.
I am not sure what happened with the Intel SSD but looked into it a little.
Intel provides a software download called the Intel SSD Toolkit that I should have been using in the first place.
Trying to do a system restore to the old drive sort of worked; the system booted but the Lenovo Thinkvantage Toolbox was complaining strenuously about bad messages coming from the SSD storage device. Like many drives the SSD reports SMART Attributes to the operating system, and the B8 parameter was way out of tolerance. B8 End to End Error Detection Count was something like 1580 (raw). I'm not sure what the normalized and threshold values of this were, but it was making things complain. The Intel SSD Toolkit reported this and basically said the drive is hosed, talk to my Intel representative.
Other SMART attributes related to the wear and tear on the device all seemed to be fine, it was just this B8 attribute that was bad.
I tried using the device for a while, and also ran the Intel SSD toolkit device integrity check over lunch, but when I got back from lunch the system had crashed and would no longer boot. I tried again to do a system restore but got more or less the same result - it worked for a while then wouldn't boot.
These SSDs have a lot of firmware under the hood. My theory is that some internal data structure for the firmware on the flash drive got hosed. I will be sending it back; it's only a few months old.
As to why I have such bad luck with SSDs it is looking more and more like it is the laptop or controller itself, rather than anything to do with Crucial or Intel. The Intel devices do seem to be a little bit better - with the toolkit they are a notch less opaque and do seem to be willing to give a heads up that they are about to fail. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
08-31-2011
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |
I own two C300 SSD drives and have no issues with either of them. I bought them because of all the positive reviews and feedback I found online about them. Don't interpret one person's bad luck with a failed product line. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS brand of SSD matters problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:52 AM. |  |