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Windows 7 - Rear panel is live |
10-14-2011
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Rear panel is live I was just unplugging some cables from my PC last night and noticed (slightly painfully) that the entire rear panel is live... as in electrically live  .
I'm assuming this isn't normal, but can anyone point me in the right direction as to the cause? Faulty PSU? Bad case? A short somewhere?
Thanks | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number CreepinJesus Mk. IV OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core i5-2500 3.3GHz Motherboard Asus P8H67-M PRO Memory 8GB DDR3 1333MHz Graphics Card On-board Sound Card On-board Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster BX2250 22.5" LED-backlit LCD Screen Resolution 1920 * 1080 Keyboard Logitech K430 Mouse Generic Logitech from the bargain-bin by the checkout PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Grand TPG-650M Case Lian-Li PC-A04 Cooling Standard fans. Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 120GB, SATA-III Internet Speed Over 9000! ...Mbps. Other Info Chocolate digestives are my favourite biscuit. |
10-14-2011
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I would guess a short somewhere, first thing that would spring to mind are unused power cables from the PSU that have maybe been tucked away eg behind the board. It could really be any number of things  I would recommend checking all cables and plugs for damage and switching it off to work on it
If you are not electrically minded it would be a good idea to get professional help. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Something I threw together OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core i7-2600K Motherboard Asus P8P67 Memory 16 GB G Skill F3-10666 CL9D-4GBRL Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 6870 Sound Card ATI Radeon HDMI / Realtek ALC892 Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 22" standard monitors / LG32LC56v TV to watch films Screen Resolution 1920 x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Mouse Hama M3110 / Logitech M305 PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Cable Management 750W Case Antec 300 Cooling Noctua NH-U12P SE2 and 5 120mm Case fans Hard Drives 2 x OCZ Vertex2 111.79GB
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10-14-2011
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This is worrying as a live case should instantly short to earth and trip your fuse, well for 3pin plugs anyway, not sure how it works in 2pin countries.
In addition to what pooch said.
The rear IO shield I am assuming you are referring to (which would pass current through the rest of the case aswell since metal is conductive that way). Is it lined up correctly or jammed in, if it is forced to fit between the case and still line up with the motherboard you may require different size standoffs for mounting the motherboard to the case? Do you have a multimeter for determining the voltage, if so put the L1 on the IO shield and L2 into one of the middle holes (black cables) on a molex connector. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core2 Quad Q8300 2.5Ghz (@3.0Ghz) Motherboard Asus P5QD Turbo Memory Kingston HyperX 2x1GB DDR2 1066Mhz Graphics Card Asus/Nvidia 9500GT 1GB Sound Card On-Board HD Monitor(s) Displays 22" Widescreen TFT Screen Resolution 1920x1080 PSU 650w Case ATX with Mesh Detail no window (yet) Cooling 140mm front, 120mm Rear, 80mm Chipset + stock CPU and GPU Hard Drives 2x 320GB Seagate SATAII RAID 0 Internet Speed 12Mbps Other Info BT Home Hub 2.0B Unlocked to other ISP and VOIP |
10-14-2011
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 |
Could be static discharge? Depends if it was still live after it grounded through you? But bet you didn't try a second time!? Lol | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
2011 Macbook 2.4ghz Core2Duo, 4gb ddr3, 120gb Ocz Vertex SSD |
10-14-2011
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It was still live after a shutdown, but not after I'd turned off the PSU and unplugged it. It's strange that it's not earthing, though.
I think it's also going through the case, as it was the screws on the back that got me, as well as the rear IO panel. Most of the case is painted though, so it doesn't zap me from the front/sides/etc..
For investigating this weekend - I have spare case around anyway which I was going to compare noise levels in, so we'll see how that goes.
Thanks for now... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number CreepinJesus Mk. IV OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core i5-2500 3.3GHz Motherboard Asus P8H67-M PRO Memory 8GB DDR3 1333MHz Graphics Card On-board Sound Card On-board Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster BX2250 22.5" LED-backlit LCD Screen Resolution 1920 * 1080 Keyboard Logitech K430 Mouse Generic Logitech from the bargain-bin by the checkout PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Grand TPG-650M Case Lian-Li PC-A04 Cooling Standard fans. Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 120GB, SATA-III Internet Speed Over 9000! ...Mbps. Other Info Chocolate digestives are my favourite biscuit. |
10-15-2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by CreepinJesus ...It's strange that it's not earthing, though... Not strange at all. It's a Ground Fault. Residual-current device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Try a different wall receptacle, If no change, try a different wall receptacle on a different circuit (i.e., different circuit breaker). If no change, it's likely a defective PSU.
You can test receptacles with one of these: | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ProBook 4530s XU015UT#ABA OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i3-2310M Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 167C Memory 8GB DDR3 SDRAM Graphics Card Intel HD Graphics 3000 (Sandy Bridge GT2) Sound Card Intel Cougar Point PCH High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" LED LG Philips LP156WH4-TLD1 Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 Mouse Logitech M315 Case Notebook Hard Drives WDC WD3200BEKT-60PVMT0 Internet Speed 12Mbps/2Mbps |
10-15-2011
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 |
just had a thought, are you using a HDMI cable as a monitor lead? as (i know its a completely different device) my new style xbox 360 is live all around its metal bezel, when plugged in using a HDMI cable. Does not happen with component leads. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
2011 Macbook 2.4ghz Core2Duo, 4gb ddr3, 120gb Ocz Vertex SSD |
10-15-2011
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There seems to be 2 faults,
1. There is a short to ground somewhere in your system (could be anything from a damaged cable to a faulty PSU (most likely), or any other component that screw to the case (just about everything).
2. There is a grounding fault, a short to ground should trip the fuse (RCD) if this isnt happening then it could be the PSU, cable or wall socket.
The chances of having two faults are much lower than the chances of one faulty device. The only common denominator between those two is the PSU and therefore this is most likely to be your culprit. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core2 Quad Q8300 2.5Ghz (@3.0Ghz) Motherboard Asus P5QD Turbo Memory Kingston HyperX 2x1GB DDR2 1066Mhz Graphics Card Asus/Nvidia 9500GT 1GB Sound Card On-Board HD Monitor(s) Displays 22" Widescreen TFT Screen Resolution 1920x1080 PSU 650w Case ATX with Mesh Detail no window (yet) Cooling 140mm front, 120mm Rear, 80mm Chipset + stock CPU and GPU Hard Drives 2x 320GB Seagate SATAII RAID 0 Internet Speed 12Mbps Other Info BT Home Hub 2.0B Unlocked to other ISP and VOIP |
10-16-2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by badger906 just had a thought, are you using a HDMI cable as a monitor lead? as (i know its a completely different device) my new style xbox 360 is live all around its metal bezel, when plugged in using a HDMI cable. Does not happen with component leads. Yes, I am. HDMI to the TV. I've had the PC turned off for a day or two now, but now that it's back on there's no charge on it so far. Maybe just a build-up from somewhere? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number CreepinJesus Mk. IV OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Core i5-2500 3.3GHz Motherboard Asus P8H67-M PRO Memory 8GB DDR3 1333MHz Graphics Card On-board Sound Card On-board Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster BX2250 22.5" LED-backlit LCD Screen Resolution 1920 * 1080 Keyboard Logitech K430 Mouse Generic Logitech from the bargain-bin by the checkout PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Grand TPG-650M Case Lian-Li PC-A04 Cooling Standard fans. Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 120GB, SATA-III Internet Speed Over 9000! ...Mbps. Other Info Chocolate digestives are my favourite biscuit. |
10-16-2011
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 |
Maybe moving the case around has stopped the short I'd their was one, but molex/serial leads would be hard to short. Keep an eye on it, but preferably use a volt meter not your digits!
Still worth buying a socket/plug tester. They are reasonably inexpensive and handy to have. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
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