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Windows 7: Slow SSD Boot with long OtherKernelInitDuration delay

31 Oct 2011   #91
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by nyto View Post
I think I have a problem related to this. I'm running a boot drive SSD and a 1TB WD caviar black. Is the the only way to fix it is to move the data off the HDD and wipe it? I didn't have a problem until the other day when I decided to defrag the HDD. Once I defragged it I get about a 30 sec delay at the starting windows screen before log in. My system works fine if I take the HDD out my system.
Please post a screenshot of your maximized Disk mgmt drive map with listings, using Snipping Tool in Start Menu.

What defragger were you using on the HD which caused a 30 second delay in the SSD when the HD is plugged in, but not when unplugged?


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31 Oct 2011   #92
nyto

Windows 7 Home Professional 64 bit
 
 

Okay I checked the Event Viewer with the bootup before the defrag of the HDD and here is what I got.


BootTsVersion 2
BootStartTime 2011-10-27T23:21:06.687500000Z
BootEndTime 2011-10-27T23:23:10.536132800Z
SystemBootInstance 694
UserBootInstance 680
BootTime 43808
MainPathBootTime 7708
BootKernelInitTime 19
BootDriverInitTime 441
BootDevicesInitTime 1010
BootPrefetchInitTime 0
BootPrefetchBytes 0
BootAutoChkTime 0
BootSmssInitTime 2969
BootCriticalServicesInitTime 627
BootUserProfileProcessingTime 208
BootMachineProfileProcessingTime 518
BootExplorerInitTime 830
BootNumStartupApps 22
BootPostBootTime 36100
BootIsRebootAfterInstall false
BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits 0
BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits 0
BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits 0
BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits 0
BootIsDegradation false
BootIsStepDegradation false
BootIsGradualDegradation false
BootImprovementDelta 0
BootDegradationDelta 0
BootIsRootCauseIdentified false
OSLoaderDuration 3038
BootPNPInitStartTimeMS 19
BootPNPInitDuration 1100
OtherKernelInitDuration 835
SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS 1925
SystemPNPInitDuration 352
SessionInitStartTimeMS 2288
Session0InitDuration 1540
Session1InitDuration 246
SessionInitOtherDuration 1182
WinLogonStartTimeMS 5258
OtherLogonInitActivityDuration 894
UserLogonWaitDuration 25607

The bootup after defrag is:
BootTsVersion 2
BootStartTime 2011-10-28T12:50:41.687500000Z
BootEndTime 2011-10-28T12:52:55.458007800Z
SystemBootInstance 695
UserBootInstance 681
BootTime 54122
MainPathBootTime 33422
BootKernelInitTime 19
BootDriverInitTime 491
BootDevicesInitTime 27361
BootPrefetchInitTime 0
BootPrefetchBytes 0
BootAutoChkTime 0
BootSmssInitTime 2806
BootCriticalServicesInitTime 634
BootUserProfileProcessingTime 344
BootMachineProfileProcessingTime 519
BootExplorerInitTime 826
BootNumStartupApps 22
BootPostBootTime 20700
BootIsRebootAfterInstall false
BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits 0
BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits 0
BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits 0
BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits 0
BootIsDegradation false
BootIsStepDegradation false
BootIsGradualDegradation false
BootImprovementDelta 0
BootDegradationDelta 0
BootIsRootCauseIdentified false
OSLoaderDuration 3044
BootPNPInitStartTimeMS 19
BootPNPInitDuration 27451
OtherKernelInitDuration 180
SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS 27622
SystemPNPInitDuration 401
SessionInitStartTimeMS 28033
Session0InitDuration 1094
Session1InitDuration 245
SessionInitOtherDuration 1465
WinLogonStartTimeMS 30839
OtherLogonInitActivityDuration 892
UserLogonWaitDuration 7858
Session0InitDuration 1540
Session1InitDuration 246
SessionInitOtherDuration 1182
WinLogonStartTimeMS 5258
OtherLogonInitActivityDuration 894
UserLogonWaitDuration 25607

There are some major delays from what was shown in the previous boot.

My disk management screen


And I defragged with the windows defragger. The thing is there was a backup of my SSD on the HDD from when it automatically scheduled one when I first put together the system, but I never had this problem until I defragged a few days ago. I built this system nearly two year ago. If I take out the HDD everything is fine. I really don't want to back up 700GB worth of data and wipe the drive especially in the middle of school semester.
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31 Oct 2011   #93
gregrocker

 

I think you've found the problem. You can verify it by running the Boot trace if you want to be sure. Cluberti might see something else as well.

If you don't want to deal with it now, you can choose Hibernate instead of SHutdown to get much faster start times. Just be sure to Shut it down fully occasionally - especially if Updates are cued with a ! on the Shutdown button.

You can also place a Hibernate shortcut on the desktop for convenience: How to Create a Hibernate Shortcut in Windows
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31 Oct 2011   #94
Raillex

Windows 7 Home 64bit
 
 

Sound familiar? Another user (this time a company in the storage solution business) pointing a finger at the Windows 7 backup/restore utility. Microsoft needs to get its act straight.

http://support.drobo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/163/~/my-windows-7-computer-hangs-or-is-slow-to-boot-when-connected-to-a-drobo
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31 Oct 2011   #95
gregrocker

 

Not sure it's related to Backup imaging, more likely boot sector or some other corruption of the HD.

Windows Backup Imaging has its shortcomings but we need to see more evidence it is involved here.
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31 Oct 2011   #96
nyto

Windows 7 Home Professional 64 bit
 
 

True. My case doesn't seem to fit the mold. I had a backup stored on my drive from Microsoft backup and didn't have the problem until I defragged. I guess it rearranged some boot info to a spot that my system checks to cause the problem.
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31 Oct 2011   #97
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

I can concur with that. I use Windows Backup to a dedicated internal drive. I've used it twice to restore since January of this year and haven't noticed any problems. It's been a backup drive since day-one and it appears Windows knows this--It's locked out of certain functions.
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31 Oct 2011   #98
Raillex

Windows 7 Home 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
I can concur with that. I use Windows Backup to a dedicated internal drive. I've used it twice to restore since January of this year and haven't noticed any problems. It's been a backup drive since day-one and it appears Windows knows this--It's locked out of certain functions.
Fair enough, and perhaps I'm jumping to conclusions. In my defense, I went from a 17 second boot to a 38 second boot with no other change than imaging my SSD boot drive with the built-in imaging utility. I fixed the problem a second time using the clean command in Diskpart, and it hasn't resurfaced.

Did you check the box in the Microsoft imaging utility enabling imaging of the boot drive's MBR? I think the default option is unchecked, but I'm not sure.
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31 Oct 2011   #99
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

I have the "System Reserved" box checked. But I'm not sure this is the MBR.


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31 Oct 2011   #100
Raillex

Windows 7 Home 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
I have the "System Reserved" box checked. But I'm not sure this is the MBR.
That's the one. Guess I can discount that particular theory.
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