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Windows 7: The time has come (update opinions)

30 Oct 2011   #31
Hopalong X

Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
I thought that had been worked out to an extent with win 7.

I did develop one new question though.
UPS, I need one it's been years since I purchased one so open to suggestions.
Pretty sure not having one is the reason I'm buying new parts now.
Anyhow, was looking at cyber power.
I'm using a Cyberpower 550. They new model is 600 or 650.
You need a 1000w if you do heavy OC'ing.

I'll tell you why.
I run my CPU at 3.08 instead of the 2.93 stock setting with no problems.
I never came close to maxing it out.

But if I OC to 3.8 it messes with the 550W USP.
It can not supply enough wattage.
I'm talking about with AC power on not on the battery only.

My system draws 600-650w OC'ed to 3.8 and so maxes the UPS out.
You can only draw what the UPS allows which is 550W it is rated.
Anymore and it will burn out quickly

They don't tell you this in any of the specs but the UPS watt rating is maximum UPS draw allowed ALL the time. Not just battery time.

My PC ran with the 650w draw for a few seconds and I had to shut it down. The alarms were going nuts on the UPS. It won't sustain that output.

Like taking a power supply rated at 6A and the surge rating may be 8A.
Then put a 10A load on it.
For a few seconds surge power will work but it overheats and dies quickly.

If you don't OC heavily you will be fine with the smaller 600-650.
If you OC heavily go with the 1000-1200.

Something I never thought of before I bought mine and found out by experience.


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30 Oct 2011   #32
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
FWIW, I have set my page file to 1GB min 2GB max. Plus, as I understand it, it requires a minimum of 800MB to create a dump file.
Yeah, 800MB is minimum. But if you have more than 800MB populated, then you need more. The safe way for dumps is the have a PF the size of RAM - or at least the size of commonly populated "in use" RAM in case of 8GB RAM or more because it is very unlikely the 8GBs will ever be used as "in use".
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30 Oct 2011   #33
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
I thought that had been worked out to an extent with win 7.

I did develop one new question though.
UPS, I need one it's been years since I purchased one so open to suggestions.
Pretty sure not having one is the reason I'm buying new parts now.
Anyhow, was looking at cyber power.
I'm using a Cyberpower 550. They new model is 600 or 650.
You need a 1000w if you do heavy OC'ing.

I'll tell you why.
I run my CPU at 3.08 instead of the 2.93 stock setting with no problems.
I never came close to maxing it out.

But if I OC to 3.8 it messes with the 550W USP.
It can not supply enough wattage.
I'm talking about with AC power on not on the battery only.

My system draws 600-650w OC'ed to 3.8 and so maxes the UPS out.
You can only draw what the UPS allows which is 550W it is rated.
Anymore and it will burn out quickly

They don't tell you this in any of the specs but the UPS watt rating is maximum UPS draw allowed ALL the time. Not just battery time.

My PC ran with the 650w draw for a few seconds and I had to shut it down. The alarms were going nuts on the UPS. It won't sustain that output.

Like taking a power supply rated at 6A and the surge rating may be 8A.
Then put a 10A load on it.
For a few seconds surge power will work but it overheats and dies quickly.

If you don't OC heavily you will be fine with the smaller 600-650.
If you OC heavily go with the 1000-1200.

Something I never thought of before I bought mine and found out by experience.
Thanks for the input.
Odds of me overclocking for an extended period of time are pretty low. I will usually play around with new hardware when I first get it, just to see how it will clock and how stable it will be. I'm not a hardcore overclocker though.
Chances are hardware longevity will win out and it will be running at stock a large portion of the time.
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02 Nov 2011   #34
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Okay I caved, going intel, and spending nearly 200 dollars more than I meant too.

Though I may pull the case as I have a decent one already


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02 Nov 2011   #35
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

The only recomendation I would make is the ram. I would use the ripjaws X serise. It was made for the P67/Z68 chips. Look at the motherboard approved list on your selection. That does not mean it won't run on that MB. Plus, they are cheaper. Plus, look at the memory standard in details on your motherboard.

RipjawsX serise 1866

Ripjaws X serise 2133
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02 Nov 2011   #36
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

noted that 2133 should spread a lot for overclocking too.
I'm still looking at a similar amd setup, but right now the cpus are out of stock on it.
I was thinking about future proofing and no matter how you cut it 8 cores does seem pretty damn future proof.
...and it comes out nearly 300 dollars less.


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08 Nov 2011   #37
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Sorry too double post, but the order has finally been made
NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Steel / Plastic Enthusiast ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Model #:PHAN-001BK
$124.99

MSI Z68A-GD80 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Model #:Z68A-GD80 (B3)
$239.99

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active
Model #:CMPSU-850TX
$134.99

Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
Model #:BX80623I72600K
$319.99

Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Model #:CT128M4SSD2
$196.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM
Model #:F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM
$99.99

Brother MFC-J220 Up to 33 ppm 6000 x 1200 dpi InkJet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer
Model #:MFC-J220
$104.99

Panasonic DMC-FH25A Blue 16.1 MP 2.7" 230k LCD 8X Optical Zoom 28mm Wide Angle Digital Camera
Model #MC-FH25A
$149.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM


ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED 120mm 2 Ball Low-noise Blue LED CPU Cooler
Model #:CNPS9900ALED
$58.99

Rosewill RTK-045 45 Piece Premium Computer Tool Kit
Model #:RTK-045
$19.99

Was the full order.
Mechanical drives will just be moved over from the previous build.
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08 Nov 2011   #38
Hopalong X

Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit
 
 

Looks like it will be an excellent rig.

Bad to the bone.

Glad you went with the 850W PSU. A little oversize never hurts.
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08 Nov 2011   #39
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Well since I'm getting the aftermarket cooler and higher end ram, I figured I would go ahead and prepare to overclock a bit. The slightly beefier psu seemed prudent at that point.

lol just now realized my new digicam is on the list too, oh well.

I'm considering a aftermarket copper northbridge heatsink as well.
Do you think that's over doing it?
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08 Nov 2011   #40
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Looks like a great build. I'm sure you will enjoy it. Bet it will fly.
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