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Windows 7: Need to upgrade processor and MOBO - do I really need hyper threading?

29 Oct 2011   #1
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 
Need to upgrade processor and MOBO - do I really need hyper threading?

I'm currently running this processor and MOBO:

Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor BX80562Q6600

Newegg.com - ASUS P5K EPU LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

It's just not fast enough for me.

I was leaning towards the i7 because it seems to be the fastest processor for around $300.

But apparently these new intel chips have sandy bridge which is a form of hyper threading.

I'm just trying to figure out if I truly need the processor with hyper threading. I understand it basically turns the 4 cores into 8 virtual cores, but does it apply this speed to all computer programs and functions?

I run 3 monitors and constantly doing multiple things including web design, graphic design etc.

I also plan on maxing my ram at the 32gb the MOBO will allow to help this system run as fast as possible.


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30 Oct 2011   #2
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyScience View Post
I understand it basically turns the 4 cores into 8 virtual cores, but does it apply this speed to all computer programs and functions?
Take a look at the performance section here:

Hyper-threading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It helps under certain circumstances, but is not a substitute for additional cores. How much it would help in any situation varies, depending on the software involved.
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30 Oct 2011   #3
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyScience View Post
But apparently these new intel chips have sandy bridge which is a form of hyper threading.
Sandy Bridge is the codename for the 2nd generation of Intel Core i3/i5/i7 processors. It has nothing to do with hyperthreading. Some of the Sandy Bridge processors have hyperthreading (i7-2600k), while others do not (i5-2500k).
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30 Oct 2011   #4
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Hmm, it seems that HT is one of those sake oil technologies that may or may not improve your computers speed

So I guess do you take plunge and spend the extra money in hopes of it benefiting you?

I was looking on newegg and they have the i7 2600 for $299 & the i7 2600k for $319

They seem to be identical in specs, does anyone know what the 2600k brings to the table over the 2600?

I figure I will go with the i7 since it's the faster of the cores at a reasonable price.

Is there another i7 around the same price range that is considerably faster than the 2600 series?
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30 Oct 2011   #5
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Just out of curiosity is this one a lot better?

Newegg.com - Intel Core i7-970 Gulftown 3.2GHz 6 x 256KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7970

The MHz is slower but it has 6 cores

Will the speed of this one blow the i7 2600k series out of the water? (it better for the price difference!)

They have just a recertified chip for cheaper here, but is going with a rectified chip a risky situation?

Newegg.com - Recertified: Intel Core i7-970 Gulftown 3.2GHz 6 x 256KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor I7 970 (SLBVF)
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30 Oct 2011   #6
rraod

MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
 
 

You can always switch off HT feature if you do not want it.
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30 Oct 2011   #7
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Yeah but I'd rather not spend the extra money if I'm just going to shut it off.

I'd like to hear some input on that 6 core I linked to.
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30 Oct 2011   #8
Sardonicus

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyScience View Post
I'm currently running this processor and MOBO:

Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor BX80562Q6600

Newegg.com - ASUS P5K EPU LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

It's just not fast enough for me.

I was leaning towards the i7 because it seems to be the fastest processor for around $300.

But apparently these new intel chips have sandy bridge which is a form of hyper threading.

I'm just trying to figure out if I truly need the processor with hyper threading. I understand it basically turns the 4 cores into 8 virtual cores, but does it apply this speed to all computer programs and functions?

I run 3 monitors and constantly doing multiple things including web design, graphic design etc.

I also plan on maxing my ram at the 32gb the MOBO will allow to help this system run as fast as possible.
For the applications you're running a hyper-threaded processor is what you want. When needed the CPU offloads the other tasks to the other cores. I'd suggest the i7-2600. The "k" processors are basically for people that want to overclock their processors, way past the factory clock.
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31 Oct 2011   #9
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I'm not sure what you are reading that makes you think HT is a bad thing, but it isn't. It isn't the same as adding an extra physical core, but for applications that can benefit from it, it does help. I have an i7-2600 that I am running now after upgrading from a Q9550 and I see a huge difference in my encoding tasks.
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31 Oct 2011   #10
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyScience View Post
Just out of curiosity is this one a lot better?

Newegg.com - Intel Core i7-970 Gulftown 3.2GHz 6 x 256KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7970

The MHz is slower but it has 6 cores

Will the speed of this one blow the i7 2600k series out of the water? (it better for the price difference!)
No.

PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End

The 970 would be preferable only for certain specific tasks that can take advantage of the additional cores. The typical user does not regularly perform those tasks.
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