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Windows 7: OCZ SSD freezes pc weekly, looking for alternate option


08 Nov 2011   #1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
OCZ SSD freezes pc weekly, looking for alternate option

I have currently a OCZ Vertex 3 as the primary drive. It freezes the pc at least once every week, with the HDD activity light staying on, Windows 7 x64 is frozen, and it requires a reboot to use the pc again. I know this because when I changed my primary drive from the WD Caviar Black to the OCZ Vertex 3, the weekly freezing began to appear.

I have my WD Caviar Black as my second drive at the moment. So I would like to know if the following configuration would stop the freezing, especially of the OS.

I buy a WD Velociraptor 300GB and install Windows 7 x64 on there, making it my primary drive for OS. Then I make the 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 my second drive (for some intense games and some performance specific programs such as Photoshop). Then the 750GB WD Caviar Black will be the third drive (for personal files storage and games that don't require high performance).

So in the event my SSD attempts to cause a freeze, will it bring the OS down with it, even if it's the second drive and the OS is not on there? If the SSD attempts to cause a freeze while I'm using a program from it, will I still be able to use Windows and restart my pc safely?

Tips and suggestions are greatly appreciated.


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08 Nov 2011   #2

Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1
 
 

I think app will crash but OS will not. It will look like drive has been suddenly removed.
Which firmware version your Vertex has? Latest is 2.15.
With 2.11 mine was BSODing from every few days to few weeks on two different mobos. I was going mad for two months. Then 2.13 was released and i flashed it. It's been over a month and now everything is fine. Don't know about performance hit, though. And i will not flash to 2.15. Too risky with these sandforce drives.

Btw drivers are original that comes with OS and AHCI is enabled in BIOS. No registry tweaks.
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08 Nov 2011   #3

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Thanks for the response. Mines firmware v2.06 but I don't have any other pc to flash it with. My motherboard also uses SATA 3Gb/s only. So if I change the OS drive, I'm hoping that I'll still have access to Windows in the event of the SSD causing a freeze occasionally. Can anyone confirm this with 2 drives from past experience? So the OCZ SSD would disappear if it caused a freeze. Interesting.
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08 Nov 2011   #4

Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OMNIOMEGA10 View Post
Thanks for the response. Mines firmware v2.06 but I don't have any other pc to flash it with. My motherboard also uses SATA 3Gb/s only. So if I change the OS drive, I'm hoping that I'll still have access to Windows in the event of the SSD causing a freeze occasionally. Can anyone confirm this with 2 drives from past experience? So the OCZ SSD would disappear if it caused a freeze. Interesting.
Mine BSODed with old motherboard's 3Gb/s controller and with new one's 6Gb/s too.
You can flash firmware with OCZ Linux tool from CD or flash drive.

Here is link to Vertex3, Agility3, Solid3 and Synapse caching drive support and discussion forum

Important links to any info on firmware, guides and tools you may need

That is OCZ forum and there are lots of threads with Vertex 3 drama
You can get some clues there and decide to try flashing or not.

I came to conclusion that main problem with Vertex freezing the OS is that drive's firmware decides randomly to go in sleep mode. So drive stops responding to OS requests and results in freeze/BSOD.
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08 Nov 2011   #5

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Lol! Vertex 3 has large drama! I guess its a hit or miss for everyone. What I will try out is installing the OS on a Velociraptor when I get one. If my OS runs fine then that will be good, since I don't want the pc to freeze weekly. And when I'm using games from the SSD, they will just crash if the SSD "freezes". It'll give me the chance to reboot properly hopefully.
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08 Nov 2011   #6

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

The worst case scenario would be the SSD freezing the pc even when my OS is on the Velociraptor. Is there a chance this would happen? I'm still quite unsure if the freeze would affect the OS on a different drive...
@ seven eleven
Did you ever try making the SSD as the secondary drive to see how it reacts to the OS when it has an issue?
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08 Nov 2011   #7

Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OMNIOMEGA10 View Post
Did you ever try making the SSD as the secondary drive to see how it reacts to the OS when it has an issue?
No. Only time i connected it as second was when i flashed it for first time (from 2.06 to 2.11) under Windows, immediately after it i got it and it was unpacked. Then i reconnected it as first in place of old HDD and started installing OS etc... And then BSOD fun started
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08 Nov 2011   #8

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Ah right, I'm surprised you flashed it before testing it. BSOD'ing must've been severe issues with the Vertex sandforce controller and firmware after (or perhaps before, though we don't know) the flash, since mine v2.06 just freezes weekly, which is more milder. From what I deduce, a BSOD would occur regardless of OS location, while a freeze usually happens when the OS and the drive its on doesn't cooperate anymore (with the exception of bad apps that freeze pcs anyway). Perhaps, the Velociraptor could be the good alternate option for the OS.
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08 Nov 2011   #9

Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1
 
 

Yes, drive freezed completely on random: while idling, browsing, playing game... No pattern whatsoever.
That first flashing on my part was really dumb thing to do. Oh well... was thinking just like with mobos - new firmware = better. Lesson learned

Later after browsing OCZ forums i came to conclusion that most stable firmware was 2.09.
And one other thing is performance. Differs between firmwares. Haven't benchmarked mine. I see that it's MUCH faster than old HDD and that's all i need to know
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09 Nov 2011   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

It appears the freezing issue seems to plague particularly the SandForce controller based drives (depending on the system build its used with), some scenarios being subtle, while others being significant. This seems to be dependant on the firmware, and in some scenarios, even flashing to the latest may still not fix the issues SandForce has with some system builds.

I have been checking out the 300GB Velociraptor's price, which was rather high for only a 15% performance increase over normal HDD's. In fact the price of that Velociraptor was mainly more than a 120GB SSD!

I was thinking of getting a 128GB Crucial M4 instead (hopefully having a firmware 0009). I have read in many debates that the M4 is very reliable, especially being a Marvel controller based SSD.

So I have a few questions again:
1. Can anyone tell me of any freezing or problems with the Crucial M4?
2. If I use the Crucial M4 as the OS drive, can I still use the OCZ Vertex 3 as a secondary drive? Or will the Vertex 3 still cause freezing to the OS?

The setup will be:
1. Crucial M4 (OS/programs drive)
2. OCZ Vertex 3 (Games drive) - has weekly issues
3. WD Caviar Black (Games/Storage drive)

Any suggestions?
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