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Windows 7: Windows 7's Trim Function
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11 Nov 2011
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#1 | |
Windows 7 Home Premium (Retail) Full version - With SP1 |
Windows 7's Trim Function
I have just installed an Intel 80gb SSD. AHCI is set and fsutil reports the Trim function as enabled.
Intel offers an Toolbox that contains an Optimizer function that will use the Trim function on the SDD. Does Windows 7's Trim function automatically perform the the trim on the SDD thus eliminating the desirability or need for running the Toolbox/Optimizer?
Clearly, I am in over my head in this and would appreciate someone helping me out here.
Thank you. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Home Brew
OS Windows 7 Home Premium (Retail) Full version - With SP1
CPU 2.70 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core
Motherboard FOXCONN A7GM-S 2.0 FAB-A
Memory 8192 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory
Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO (Microsoft Corporation WDDM 1.1) [D
Sound Card High Definition Audio Device (2x)
Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster [Monitor] (19.1"vis, s/n HVELA10194, Octo
Screen Resolution 1024 X 768
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device (logitech)
Mouse Microsoft USB Comfort Optical Mouse 3000 (IntelliPoint)
Hard Drives INTEL SSDSA2CW120G3 ATA Device [Hard drive] (120.03 GB)
INTEL SSDSA2CW080G3 ATA Device [Hard drive] (80.02 GB)
Internet Speed adsl
Other Info The above taken with Bel Arc Advisor
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11 Nov 2011
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#2 | |
Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit Fantasyland |
No need for the toolbox. If you've already confirmed with fsutil that TRIM is enabled, you're all set. TRIM is fully integrated with Windows' NTFS filesystem, shadow copies, search indexing and everything else. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom-built
OS Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz, overclocked to 2.7GHz
Motherboard Asus PL5D2
Memory 4GB DDR2-667 (4x1GB in dual-channel config)
Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 9800 GT
Sound Card Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic
Monitor(s) Displays Acer
Screen Resolution 1920x1200 (DVI)
Keyboard Standard
Mouse Microsoft wireless optical mouse
PSU Antec TruePower 2.0
Case Cooler Master Centurion
Cooling various fans
Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex Plus 60GB SATA (Firmware 3.55), 64MB cache
Hitachi HD321KJ SATA, 320GB, 7200rpm, 16MB cache
Internet Speed DSL; ~330KB/sec down, ~110KB/sec up
Other Info Have a laptop too :) (Compaq CQ60 also with Win7 Pro SP1 32-bit)
Drives in both systems:
C: - Windows 7 + apps. Pagefile is fixed size and located at the very end of the partition.
D: - various temp files/cache for Firefox and apps/games.
E: - videos, music, misc. storage, torrent downloads, etc.
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11 Nov 2011
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#3 | |
Windows 7 Home Premium (Retail) Full version - With SP1 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Corazon  No need for the toolbox. If you've already confirmed with fsutil that TRIM is enabled, you're all set. TRIM is fully integrated with Windows' NTFS filesystem, shadow copies, search indexing and everything else. Thank you. The spirit of Alex Nichols lives. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Home Brew
OS Windows 7 Home Premium (Retail) Full version - With SP1
CPU 2.70 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core
Motherboard FOXCONN A7GM-S 2.0 FAB-A
Memory 8192 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory
Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO (Microsoft Corporation WDDM 1.1) [D
Sound Card High Definition Audio Device (2x)
Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster [Monitor] (19.1"vis, s/n HVELA10194, Octo
Screen Resolution 1024 X 768
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device (logitech)
Mouse Microsoft USB Comfort Optical Mouse 3000 (IntelliPoint)
Hard Drives INTEL SSDSA2CW120G3 ATA Device [Hard drive] (120.03 GB)
INTEL SSDSA2CW080G3 ATA Device [Hard drive] (80.02 GB)
Internet Speed adsl
Other Info The above taken with Bel Arc Advisor
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11 Nov 2011
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#4 | |
Window 7 Home Premium 64-bit |
NTFS and SSD isn't a very good combination. NTFS is a journalling file system and makes frequent entries (writes) to the SSD, even when there's no other activity going on. Solid-state flash drives have a limit rewritable life cycle, journalling isn't a good thing on SSDs.
FAT is better choice if the option is available. It's something Microsoft might want to look into. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build - Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3
OS Window 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Intel i7-2600
Motherboard Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3
Memory 16GB DDR3-1666
Graphics Card Zotac Nvidia 295 GTX (Dual GPU)
Sound Card Realtek --> SPDIF --> 1200W 7.1 Surround Sound Receiver
Monitor(s) Displays LG 24" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution 1920x1080
Keyboard Logitech G19
Mouse Logitech G500
PSU Rosewill BRONZE Series RBR1000-M 1000W Continuous@40°C
Case HEC Blitz Black Steel Edition ATX Mid Tower Computer Chassis
Cooling Air
Hard Drives OCZ 120GB RevoDrive SSD (2x 55GB [actually 110GB] RAID 0)
2x Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDD
Western Digital 500GB (swap/temp file)
Western Digital 1TB (backup)
Internet Speed Cable (20 Mbit)
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11 Nov 2011
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#5 | |
Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Tae Song NTFS and SSD isn't a very good combination. NTFS is a journalling file system and makes frequent entries (writes) to the SSD, even when there's no other activity going on. Solid-state flash drives have a limit rewritable life cycle, journalling isn't a good thing on SSDs.
FAT is better choice if the option is available. It's something Microsoft might want to look into. That life-cycle is a lot longer then you're making out.The vast majority of people will upgrade their SSD long before it wears out | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number tw33k
OS Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1
CPU Intel 3770k 4.6GHz
Motherboard ASUS Maximus V Formula
Memory 8GB (2x 4GB) Crucial Ballistix
Graphics Card Sapphire 7950 (1060/1600)
Sound Card On Board Realtek HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays 27" Acer B273HU (via HDMI)
Screen Resolution 2048 x 1152
Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 5000
Mouse Microsoft Wireless 5000
PSU Corsair AX750 Gold
Case Corsair Obsidian 800DW
Cooling Corsair H100 (2x AP-121/2x UK-3000 push/pull)
Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB
2TB WD Black
1TB Samsung F3 SATA
1TB WD Elite External
2TB WD USB 3.0
Internet Speed 5mb/s
Other Info Logitech z-2300 2.1 speakers
Lamptron FC-5 v2
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11 Nov 2011
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#6 | |
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64/ linux in VM NW Florida |
Quote: Originally Posted by Tae Song NTFS and SSD isn't a very good combination. NTFS is a journalling file system and makes frequent entries (writes) to the SSD, even when there's no other activity going on. Solid-state flash drives have a limit rewritable life cycle, journalling isn't a good thing on SSDs.
FAT is better choice if the option is available. It's something Microsoft might want to look into. Perhaps you should take the time an read the tests at extremesystems, you may find out that SSDs are more durable that you say. These are the writes to the drives. The first one to die had written 525TB on a 64GB SSD>  | | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built- Always under construction
OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64/ linux in VM
CPU Intel i7-3770K
Motherboard Asus Maximus V Extreme Z77
Memory 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3-2400 (2X4GB)
Graphics Card EVGA GTX 670 SC 4GB
Sound Card On Board
Monitor(s) Displays Asus 24" LCD
Screen Resolution 1920X1080
Keyboard Logitech G510
Mouse Logitech G500
PSU CORSAIR AX850
Case Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling Custom Water Cooling
Hard Drives Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB, Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB, Samsung 830 256GB, Samsung HD103SJ 1TB . External HD- Black X dock esata 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, Rosewill USB 3.0 dock 1TB Samsung Spinpoint
Internet Speed carrier pigeon speed
Antivirus MSE/MBAM
Browser ie8
Other Info 2nd Rig,Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64, i7-2600K, Asrock P67 Extreme 4, 8GB DDR3-2133, HAF XM case, Noctua NH-D14, Gigabyte HD6950 OC 1GB, 2 X Crucial M4 128GB, Asus 24" LED.
Laptop- Samsung RF711-SO1 17" i5-2310M, 8GB DDR3-1333, Crucial M4 and OCZ vertex2, Nvidia GT540M.Win 7 HP X64 SP1.
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11 Nov 2011
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#7 | |
Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
Quote: Originally Posted by Tae Song NTFS and SSD isn't a very good combination. NTFS is a journalling file system and makes frequent entries (writes) to the SSD, even when there's no other activity going on. Solid-state flash drives have a limit rewritable life cycle, journalling isn't a good thing on SSDs.
FAT is better choice if the option is available. It's something Microsoft might want to look into. I don't know from where you got that idea. My oldest 3 year old SSD has a remaining lifetime until 2021 - that is enough for me. All this hype about the fragility of SSDs is ridiculous. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207
Keyboard with trackball - no mices
Mouse Trackball mice
Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
Internet Speed DSL 6000
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12 Nov 2011
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#8 | |
Window 7 Home Premium 64-bit |
Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k
Quote: Originally Posted by Tae Song NTFS and SSD isn't a very good combination. NTFS is a journalling file system and makes frequent entries (writes) to the SSD, even when there's no other activity going on. Solid-state flash drives have a limit rewritable life cycle, journalling isn't a good thing on SSDs.
FAT is better choice if the option is available. It's something Microsoft might want to look into. That life-cycle is a lot longer then you're making out.The vast majority of people will upgrade their SSD long before it wears out
That's engineering margin of safety... after that chances of failure increases and sometimes failure do occur even within the margin of safety. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build - Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3
OS Window 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Intel i7-2600
Motherboard Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3
Memory 16GB DDR3-1666
Graphics Card Zotac Nvidia 295 GTX (Dual GPU)
Sound Card Realtek --> SPDIF --> 1200W 7.1 Surround Sound Receiver
Monitor(s) Displays LG 24" LCD Monitor
Screen Resolution 1920x1080
Keyboard Logitech G19
Mouse Logitech G500
PSU Rosewill BRONZE Series RBR1000-M 1000W Continuous@40°C
Case HEC Blitz Black Steel Edition ATX Mid Tower Computer Chassis
Cooling Air
Hard Drives OCZ 120GB RevoDrive SSD (2x 55GB [actually 110GB] RAID 0)
2x Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDD
Western Digital 500GB (swap/temp file)
Western Digital 1TB (backup)
Internet Speed Cable (20 Mbit)
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12 Nov 2011
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#9 | |
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64/ linux in VM NW Florida |
Quote: Originally Posted by Tae Song
Quote: Originally Posted by tw33k
Quote: Originally Posted by Tae Song NTFS and SSD isn't a very good combination. NTFS is a journalling file system and makes frequent entries (writes) to the SSD, even when there's no other activity going on. Solid-state flash drives have a limit rewritable life cycle, journalling isn't a good thing on SSDs.
FAT is better choice if the option is available. It's something Microsoft might want to look into. That life-cycle is a lot longer then you're making out.The vast majority of people will upgrade their SSD long before it wears out
That's engineering margin of safety... after that chances of failure increases and sometimes failure do occur even within the margin of safety. That's over 500TB written to a 64GB drive. None of us will ever wear one of those out. Engineering margin of safety? Intel Says you can write 5GB per day for 5 years. That equates to about 9TB. They have lasted over 500TB. That is much more than any engineering margin of safety. As far as a limited rewritable life cycle, everything in your computer has a limit of endurance. And try to get trim with FAT file system. | | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built- Always under construction
OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64/ linux in VM
CPU Intel i7-3770K
Motherboard Asus Maximus V Extreme Z77
Memory 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3-2400 (2X4GB)
Graphics Card EVGA GTX 670 SC 4GB
Sound Card On Board
Monitor(s) Displays Asus 24" LCD
Screen Resolution 1920X1080
Keyboard Logitech G510
Mouse Logitech G500
PSU CORSAIR AX850
Case Cooler Master HAF X
Cooling Custom Water Cooling
Hard Drives Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB, Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB, Samsung 830 256GB, Samsung HD103SJ 1TB . External HD- Black X dock esata 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, Rosewill USB 3.0 dock 1TB Samsung Spinpoint
Internet Speed carrier pigeon speed
Antivirus MSE/MBAM
Browser ie8
Other Info 2nd Rig,Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64, i7-2600K, Asrock P67 Extreme 4, 8GB DDR3-2133, HAF XM case, Noctua NH-D14, Gigabyte HD6950 OC 1GB, 2 X Crucial M4 128GB, Asus 24" LED.
Laptop- Samsung RF711-SO1 17" i5-2310M, 8GB DDR3-1333, Crucial M4 and OCZ vertex2, Nvidia GT540M.Win 7 HP X64 SP1.
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12 Nov 2011
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#10 | |
Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit Fantasyland |
For that matter, try to run Windows 7 on a FAT32 filesystem.
It's simply not possible.  | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom-built
OS Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz, overclocked to 2.7GHz
Motherboard Asus PL5D2
Memory 4GB DDR2-667 (4x1GB in dual-channel config)
Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 9800 GT
Sound Card Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic
Monitor(s) Displays Acer
Screen Resolution 1920x1200 (DVI)
Keyboard Standard
Mouse Microsoft wireless optical mouse
PSU Antec TruePower 2.0
Case Cooler Master Centurion
Cooling various fans
Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex Plus 60GB SATA (Firmware 3.55), 64MB cache
Hitachi HD321KJ SATA, 320GB, 7200rpm, 16MB cache
Internet Speed DSL; ~330KB/sec down, ~110KB/sec up
Other Info Have a laptop too :) (Compaq CQ60 also with Win7 Pro SP1 32-bit)
Drives in both systems:
C: - Windows 7 + apps. Pagefile is fixed size and located at the very end of the partition.
D: - various temp files/cache for Firefox and apps/games.
E: - videos, music, misc. storage, torrent downloads, etc.
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