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Windows 7: setting up SSD, need help with multiple drives

03 Jan 2012   #21
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

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Depends on the deal you can get. My OCZ Agility III is a SATA III but my laptop is only SATA II. Since it was $239 for the 240 gig I bought it instead of a SATA II drive which would have been more expensive. Then once I get a new laptop I'll be able to take advantage of SATA III
I guess. I never looked at the Agility. It always looked like the OCZ stepchild. I always bought Vertex.
From what I understand, Vertex always uses Samsung flash while Agility varies. So while the Vertex remains consistent, any given Agility could be faster or slower than a Vertex - luck of the draw.

According to a VP at OCZ, they buy their nand from Intel, which raises a lot of questions in itself.


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03 Jan 2012   #22
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

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thank you for the info. so now for the big question, what are some good brands to go with, i saw kingston and corsair, but when i went on new eg there where some other brands i hadnt heard of. any ideas of what will be best?
Crucial, OCZ and Intel are good makes. i have three OCZ Vertex, two Intels and one Crucial M4. They all run well - some already since nearly 4 years. The say that the Crucial M4 is very reliable, so I bought one. But that was very recently, so I cannot say much about it yet. It is fast though, on a Sata3 port.

As to your setup, I would approach that differently. If you are intersted, I will post my approach for you. But since this is a lot of typing (with my 2 finger search method), I'd like your input first.
if you have a different approach id love to hear it. i dont do much with hard drives so i really dont know all the ins and outs of how the best way to do this is or who to buy from or where to start honestly. the whole no master/slave thing is a new concept to me plane and simple so its like re learning a language in a new dialect
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03 Jan 2012   #23
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Well, as you were already told, there is no master/slave. All Sata ports are equal and Port0 is a bit more equal. If you can, always put the disk where the OS resides on Port0. There are a few advantages that would be too long to explain here. Just take it for a fact.

As far as your migration of the OS from the HDD to the SSD goes, here a few tips.

1. Read my tutorial that was already linked previously. That should give you some basic info.

2. You were right - a 60GB SSD is ample for the OS. Problem may be though that you have a lot more stuff on your current C: partition to fit into a 60GB SSD. That needs some cleanup first.

a. Shrink your current C: partition with Disk Management to create a data partition that can hold all your data. You may have to park the data in the interim on an external disk to make room on C:. In case you forgot how to deal with Disk Management, I made this little video tutorial for you.

b. Make the following folders in that new partition: Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos.

c. Move your user data to the appropriate folders

d. if your C: drive still has more data than would fit on the SSD (e.g. if you have very large games in the program files) uninstall some of those games. You then have to reinstall them once you are working off the SSD and direct the installer to put them on the HDD. You should also disable the hiberfile. The command is powercfg -h off

e. Assuming that the amount of data is now smaller (at least 20GB less) than the size of your SSD, you can now transfer the OS to the SSD. You can do that with the instructions in my first tutorial, or if you are not sure of that, use the Paragon Migration Tool which will do it for you with 2 clicks - but it costs $19,95.

f. When the OS is working on the SSD, open the HDD partition to where you moved your data. Right click on Documents, Music, etc. and INCLUDE those folders into their appropriate libraries. Now you can get at them via the libraries.

That is essentially all. Check that Defrag is disabled for the SSD. If you have any questions, let us know.
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03 Jan 2012   #24
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Well, as you were already told, there is no master/slave. All Sata ports are equal and Port0 is a bit more equal. If you can, always put the disk where the OS resides on Port0. There are a few advantages that would be too long to explain here. Just take it for a fact.

As far as your migration of the OS from the HDD to the SSD goes, here a few tips.

1. Read my tutorial that was already linked previously. That should give you some basic info.

2. You were right - a 60GB SSD is ample for the OS. Problem may be though that you have a lot more stuff on your current C: partition to fit into a 60GB SSD. That needs some cleanup first.

a. Shrink your current C: partition with Disk Management to create a data partition that can hold all your data. You may have to park the data in the interim on an external disk to make room on C:. In case you forgot how to deal with Disk Management, I made this little video tutorial for you.

b. Make the following folders in that new partition: Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos.

c. Move your user data to the appropriate folders

d. if your C: drive still has more data than would fit on the SSD (e.g. if you have very large games in the program files) uninstall some of those games. You then have to reinstall them once you are working off the SSD and direct the installer to put them on the HDD. You should also disable the hiberfile. The command is powercfg -h off

e. Assuming that the amount of data is now smaller (at least 20GB less) than the size of your SSD, you can now transfer the OS to the SSD. You can do that with the instructions in my first tutorial, or if you are not sure of that, use the Paragon Migration Tool which will do it for you with 2 clicks - but it costs $19,95.

f. When the OS is working on the SSD, open the HDD partition to where you moved your data. Right click on Documents, Music, etc. and INCLUDE those folders into their appropriate libraries. Now you can get at them via the libraries.

That is essentially all. Check that Defrag is disabled for the SSD. If you have any questions, let us know.
i just want to see if i understand somthing, i know you said basicaly that there is too much to worry about going in to all the details. but i am curious, the point of shrinking your disk. is that just to allocate space for the OS and seperate it from unneeded contact to other files? if not, what is the main purpose for it?
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03 Jan 2012   #25
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Well, as you were already told, there is no master/slave. All Sata ports are equal and Port0 is a bit more equal. If you can, always put the disk where the OS resides on Port0. There are a few advantages that would be too long to explain here. Just take it for a fact.

As far as your migration of the OS from the HDD to the SSD goes, here a few tips.

1. Read my tutorial that was already linked previously. That should give you some basic info.

2. You were right - a 60GB SSD is ample for the OS. Problem may be though that you have a lot more stuff on your current C: partition to fit into a 60GB SSD. That needs some cleanup first.

a. Shrink your current C: partition with Disk Management to create a data partition that can hold all your data. You may have to park the data in the interim on an external disk to make room on C:. In case you forgot how to deal with Disk Management, I made this little video tutorial for you.

b. Make the following folders in that new partition: Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos.

c. Move your user data to the appropriate folders

d. if your C: drive still has more data than would fit on the SSD (e.g. if you have very large games in the program files) uninstall some of those games. You then have to reinstall them once you are working off the SSD and direct the installer to put them on the HDD. You should also disable the hiberfile. The command is powercfg -h off

e. Assuming that the amount of data is now smaller (at least 20GB less) than the size of your SSD, you can now transfer the OS to the SSD. You can do that with the instructions in my first tutorial, or if you are not sure of that, use the Paragon Migration Tool which will do it for you with 2 clicks - but it costs $19,95.

f. When the OS is working on the SSD, open the HDD partition to where you moved your data. Right click on Documents, Music, etc. and INCLUDE those folders into their appropriate libraries. Now you can get at them via the libraries.

That is essentially all. Check that Defrag is disabled for the SSD. If you have any questions, let us know.
i just want to see if i understand somthing, i know you said basicaly that there is too much to worry about going in to all the details. but i am curious, the point of shrinking your disk. is that just to allocate space for the OS and seperate it from unneeded contact to other files? if not, what is the main purpose for it?
See what I highlighted and you will understand the problem we are trying to solve.

I suggest you post a picture of your Disk Management so that I have a better understanding of what you are up to.
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03 Jan 2012   #26
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Well, as you were already told, there is no master/slave. All Sata ports are equal and Port0 is a bit more equal. If you can, always put the disk where the OS resides on Port0. There are a few advantages that would be too long to explain here. Just take it for a fact.

As far as your migration of the OS from the HDD to the SSD goes, here a few tips.

1. Read my tutorial that was already linked previously. That should give you some basic info.

2. You were right - a 60GB SSD is ample for the OS. Problem may be though that you have a lot more stuff on your current C: partition to fit into a 60GB SSD. That needs some cleanup first.

a. Shrink your current C: partition with Disk Management to create a data partition that can hold all your data. You may have to park the data in the interim on an external disk to make room on C:. In case you forgot how to deal with Disk Management, I made this little video tutorial for you.

b. Make the following folders in that new partition: Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos.

c. Move your user data to the appropriate folders

d. if your C: drive still has more data than would fit on the SSD (e.g. if you have very large games in the program files) uninstall some of those games. You then have to reinstall them once you are working off the SSD and direct the installer to put them on the HDD. You should also disable the hiberfile. The command is powercfg -h off

e. Assuming that the amount of data is now smaller (at least 20GB less) than the size of your SSD, you can now transfer the OS to the SSD. You can do that with the instructions in my first tutorial, or if you are not sure of that, use the Paragon Migration Tool which will do it for you with 2 clicks - but it costs $19,95.

f. When the OS is working on the SSD, open the HDD partition to where you moved your data. Right click on Documents, Music, etc. and INCLUDE those folders into their appropriate libraries. Now you can get at them via the libraries.

That is essentially all. Check that Defrag is disabled for the SSD. If you have any questions, let us know.
i just want to see if i understand somthing, i know you said basicaly that there is too much to worry about going in to all the details. but i am curious, the point of shrinking your disk. is that just to allocate space for the OS and seperate it from unneeded contact to other files? if not, what is the main purpose for it?
See what I highlighted and you will understand the problem we are trying to solve.

I suggest you post a picture of your Disk Management so that I have a better understanding of what you are up to.
sounds good, ill try to get to it soon
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04 Jan 2012   #27
emaraszek

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I'm still recommending the clean install if you have the time. Also, when you do the clean install Windows will automatically configure itself for the SSD. Basically, you won't have to manually turn off defrag, etc.
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04 Jan 2012   #28
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by emaraszek View Post
I'm still recommending the clean install if you have the time. Also, when you do the clean install Windows will automatically configure itself for the SSD. Basically, you won't have to manually turn off defrag, etc.
i am planning a clean install, i have some seriouse corruption somewhere, and i might be upgrading to professional.
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04 Jan 2012   #29
emaraszek

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Good call. So you're going to get a small ssd as a boot drive and then have an additional hdd as a data drive?
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04 Jan 2012   #30
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by emaraszek View Post
Good call. So you're going to get a small ssd as a boot drive and then have an additional hdd as a data drive?
yes, now i do have another question, could i sintall more HDD? cuz right now im sittin her 85% full and will need more space anyways. im thinking of grabbing a 120gb SSD, and a 1TB HDD to pair with my 750 im running now if what i want to do is at all possible
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