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Windows 7: can i use 2133 ram in a 1333 mobo?

09 Jan 2012   #11
badger906

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, & Mac OS X 10.9.2
 
 

well an i7 2600k is just a hyperthread i5 2500k, and not a huge jump in performance.
it all depends on the motherboard you choose. find one and go from there.


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09 Jan 2012   #12
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
ssd is on the list already but ty. so what is the highest speed frequency i could get on an lga 1155 you think because im getting an i7 2600k im thinking
"OC" means that something is being run outside the maker's specs. I think that Intel, for example, only officially supports up to DDR3 1600 on Socket 1155. (I'm running 4 X 4 GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866 on an Asus P8Z68-V Pro board at the rated 1866 MHz. RAM timings are set manually.) I haven't run DDR3-2133, but I expect that it would work. (It would require setting up the BIOS properly. Plug & Play would default to DDR3-1333.) If you want to try DDR3-2133, why not go for it?

When I said that some believe that there's no such thing as quad channel RAM, I meant that the belief is that there are no differences between the DIMMs in a quad channel kit and the DIMMs of the same ratings sold individually (or in dual channel, or triple channel). I'm agnostic on that - I don't know enough to have an informed opinion.

I'm not a "3D developer", so I can't advise you based on personal experience. The Socket 2011 board support quad channel RAM, and (in principle) the highest available memory bandwidth, but apparently that's only available to applications that support multithreaded memory access. I also can't tell you whether you'd gain much with fast RAM on a Socket 1155 system. For common applications, the faster RAM frequency is sometimes offset by increased latency (delay) as compared to lower frequency RAM.

Some motherboard makes publish qualified vendor lists for RAM. Asus, for example:

ASUSTeK Computer Inc. -Support- Drivers and Download P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3

Alternately, see whether the RAM maker certifies their memory for the motherboard of your choice.
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10 Jan 2012   #13
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
ssd is on the list already but ty. so what is the highest speed frequency i could get on an lga 1155 you think because im getting an i7 2600k im thinking
"OC" means that something is being run outside the maker's specs. I think that Intel, for example, only officially supports up to DDR3 1600 on Socket 1155. (I'm running 4 X 4 GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866 on an Asus P8Z68-V Pro board at the rated 1866 MHz. RAM timings are set manually.) I haven't run DDR3-2133, but I expect that it would work. (It would require setting up the BIOS properly. Plug & Play would default to DDR3-1333.) If you want to try DDR3-2133, why not go for it?

When I said that some believe that there's no such thing as quad channel RAM, I meant that the belief is that there are no differences between the DIMMs in a quad channel kit and the DIMMs of the same ratings sold individually (or in dual channel, or triple channel). I'm agnostic on that - I don't know enough to have an informed opinion.

I'm not a "3D developer", so I can't advise you based on personal experience. The Socket 2011 board support quad channel RAM, and (in principle) the highest available memory bandwidth, but apparently that's only available to applications that support multithreaded memory access. I also can't tell you whether you'd gain much with fast RAM on a Socket 1155 system. For common applications, the faster RAM frequency is sometimes offset by increased latency (delay) as compared to lower frequency RAM.

Some motherboard makes publish qualified vendor lists for RAM. Asus, for example:

ASUSTeK Computer Inc. -Support- Drivers and Download P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3

Alternately, see whether the RAM maker certifies their memory for the motherboard of your choice.
ty, i looked at the 2011 board, unfortuantly i dont want to spend 900 on a cpu. now i have to ask because i saw this online recently. i found that if your ram is at a high frequency, windows can start getting blue screens (of death) or windows may stop using all 4 sticks, etc etc, or rather, not recognize all 4 sticks.
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10 Jan 2012   #14
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by badger906 View Post
well an i7 2600k is just a hyperthread i5 2500k, and not a huge jump in performance.
it all depends on the motherboard you choose. find one and go from there.
i posted the motherboard i am planning on purchasing on post 6. it is an asrock extreme 4 lga 1155 and i do have to say im a bit of a fan of the dark brown and black. i refuse to do gigabyte as i have had previous mobos from them and their support SUCKS!!!
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10 Jan 2012   #15
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
ty, i looked at the 2011 board, unfortuantly i dont want to spend 900 on a cpu. now i have to ask because i saw this online recently. i found that if your ram is at a high frequency, windows can start getting blue screens (of death) or windows may stop using all 4 sticks, etc etc, or rather, not recognize all 4 sticks.
Nah. You can get a Socket 2011 CPU for a mere $600.

Intel is supposed to be releasing quad core CPUs for that platform soon, at lower prices than the 6 core units, but I don't know when. It's not clear that most people would prefer a Socket 2011 system over a good Socket 1155 one; the 2011 one might actually be slower for most purposes.

Asrock lists tested RAM for the board that you mentioned. It includes some DDR3-2133 with 4 pieces at 4 GB (16 GB total).

ASRock > Products > Z68 Extreme4 > Memory Support List

As regards support, I suggest buying the board from a vendor with good RMA support. (newegg, for example.) That'll get you past a dead on arrival board. (That happens with every maker I've read of.) Supposedly eVGA has the best customer support, but I've never dealt with them on a motherboard issue.
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10 Jan 2012   #16
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thornton View Post
ty, i looked at the 2011 board, unfortuantly i dont want to spend 900 on a cpu. now i have to ask because i saw this online recently. i found that if your ram is at a high frequency, windows can start getting blue screens (of death) or windows may stop using all 4 sticks, etc etc, or rather, not recognize all 4 sticks.
Nah. You can get a Socket 2011 CPU for a mere $600.

Intel is supposed to be releasing quad core CPUs for that platform soon, at lower prices than the 6 core units, but I don't know when. It's not clear that most people would prefer a Socket 2011 system over a good Socket 1155 one; the 2011 one might actually be slower for most purposes.

Asrock lists tested RAM for the board that you mentioned. It includes some DDR3-2133 with 4 pieces at 4 GB (16 GB total).

ASRock > Products > Z68 Extreme4 > Memory Support List

As regards support, I suggest buying the board from a vendor with good RMA support. (newegg, for example.) That'll get you past a dead on arrival board. (That happens with every maker I've read of.) Supposedly eVGA has the best customer support, but I've never dealt with them on a motherboard issue.
im thinkin ill just grab some 1600 ram, as much as id love to wait for more 2011 stuff, 600 is still a bit steep for minimum wage lol. all i know is i had an old gig. i needed information on the ram, i called their sales and support dep. and it was all automated last time i called, i finaly got ahold of someone, then they redirected me back to that damn machine again. i LOVE new egg. im looking at som ripjawsX 1600 16gb, and that ASRock Mobo and a 2600k, i think badger explained its not that much different from a 1500k i believe it is... but the benchmarks, which agreed are not end all be all, proove that it is a significant difference in multi threaded 3d rendering
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10 Jan 2012   #17
badger906

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, & Mac OS X 10.9.2
 
 

the 2011 socket is just a rebranded server processor with 2 of its cores disabled... its either intended as a marketing plan, so if AMD ever step the game Intel can unlock the 2 cores and shit all over AMD further.. or more likely its just a way of making money from non perfect chips with one or two of the cores being buggered and a recycling method.
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10 Jan 2012   #18
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by badger906 View Post
the 2011 socket is just a rebranded server processor with 2 of its cores disabled... its either intended as a marketing plan, so if AMD ever step the game Intel can unlock the 2 cores and shit all over AMD further.. or more likely its just a way of making money from non perfect chips with one or two of the cores being buggered and a recycling method.
Er, what?

Are you claiming that the current 6 core Socket 2011 CPUs are crippled 8 core processors?

As far as I know, Intel won't currently sell you an 8 core CPU at any price.
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11 Jan 2012   #19
badger906

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, & Mac OS X 10.9.2
 
 

Yup! Just look at there architecture!! They have 6 cores with 2 added cores below which are never labled. They are arranged in 2 rows of 4.
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11 Jan 2012   #20
Thornton

windows 7 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by badger906 View Post
the 2011 socket is just a rebranded server processor with 2 of its cores disabled... its either intended as a marketing plan, so if AMD ever step the game Intel can unlock the 2 cores and shit all over AMD further.. or more likely its just a way of making money from non perfect chips with one or two of the cores being buggered and a recycling method.
well the good news for me i guess then is that... 2 cores is possibly the worst thing for a 3d developer, thanks for the help, as much as i would love the speed of one of those things, what i really need is a mix of open gl caching (mostly on the graphics card side) extreme speed, and udles of threads, and the hyperthread feature to allow you to utalize more cores u dont really have is great!
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