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Windows 7 - Defragging Solid State Drives? |
01-17-2012
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#1 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit |
Defragging Solid State Drives? This isn't recommended, I know. But would it serve any purpose at all? As far as I understand the matter, aside from the wear and tear issue, whether an SDD is 0% fragmented or 100% fragmented makes no difference to the performance, due to the way the information is read from the disc. Is that so?
I run MS Flight Simulator from an SDD (my O/S is on another SDD too) and I am starting to get some performance issues. Some have recommended I defrag the disc - when I analyse it, it shows 100% fragmentation, but if what I wrote above is true, it wouldn't make any difference. Right??
Thanks,
Martin
| My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit CPU Intel Core i7 950 CPU @ 4.00GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Memory Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 12800C9 1600MHz Graphics Card GeForce GTX 460 Sonic GPU, 2048MB Monitor(s) Displays HannsG 28" & 22" Hard Drives 1 x OCZ Vertex 2E 60gb SSD;
1 x Corsair Force 120GB SSD;
2 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA2 |
01-17-2012
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#2 | | Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora |
I think it would be a useless exercise. Your perceived performance degradation must have other causes. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway - 2 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to 2.5GHz Quad Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse terrible devices, who wants them Hard Drives 5x HDD, 2x SSD, 6x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
01-17-2012
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#3 | | Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit |
+1 WHS
If you can check the defrag amount on your SSD that means Defrag is not disabled on your system.
It should be disabled.
The defragger will never actually achieve defragmenting your drive. After it is done running the SSD will eventually move all the files again as it uses its wear leveling.
Wear leveling makes sure all NAND cells get equal usage.
Your files do not "sit" in one location after install as they do on an HDD/spinner.
So let the SSD write the files where it wants and do its job of wear leveling and clean up as designed by the SSD firmware. 
No defrag.
Mike
Last edited by Hopalong X; 01-18-2012 at 06:44 AM..
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Hopalong/ Godzilla OS Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit CPU Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Motherboard ASUS P7P55D-E PRO Memory 8GB@1400MHz Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600 4x2GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 Sound Card VIA Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 941BW 19"ws Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Logitech K-320 PSU COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RS850-AMBAJ3-US 850W Modular Case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Cooling Scythe "Mugen-2 Rev.B" (2 ScytheKaze-Jyuni PWM fans) Hard Drives Intel 320 120GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s |
01-18-2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X ...Defragging on an HDD makes it easier for the optic laser to find files by putting the ones that are related near each other... Please show me an HDD that has an "optic laser". You won't be able to, because there is none. It's magnetic, not optical. CD's & DVD's are optical.
BTW, access time specs for SDD's are in the 0.1ms range which is about 1/100 that of a HDD. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ProBook 4530s XU015UT#ABA OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i3-2310M Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 167C Memory 8GB DDR3 SDRAM Graphics Card Intel HD Graphics 3000 (Sandy Bridge GT2) Sound Card Intel Cougar Point PCH High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" LED LG Philips LP156WH4-TLD1 Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 Mouse Logitech M315 Case Notebook Hard Drives WDC WD3200BEKT-60PVMT0 Internet Speed 12Mbps/2Mbps |
01-18-2012
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#5 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X ...
If you can check the defrag amount on your SSD that means Defrag is not disabled on your system.
It should be disabled.
... sorry hoppy, but i'm not sure if this is 100% accurate either.
you can still run the defrag program, to analyse without actually defragging. what you need to disable is scheduled defrags on the SSD - most people that have ssd's also have an hdd or two, so they may still wish to defrag the hard disks. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number mickey megabyte 1234 OS ultimate 64 sp1 CPU i5 2500K 3.3@4.2GHz Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 Memory 8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600 Graphics Card amd hd6950 Sound Card creative x-fi gamer Monitor(s) Displays samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard saitek eclipse ii Mouse logitech g3 PSU antec 550 Case antec three hundred Cooling i'm a cooling fan Hard Drives ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext Internet Speed about 4 Mbps Other Info i love win7 |
01-18-2012
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#6 | | Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by Comp Cmndo 
Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X ...Defragging on an HDD makes it easier for the optic laser to find files by putting the ones that are related near each other... Please show me an HDD that has an "optic laser". You won't be able to, because there is none. It's magnetic, not optical. CD's & DVD's are optical.
BTW, access time specs for SDD's are in the 0.1ms range which is about 1/100 that of a HDD. Sorry about that.
It was late when I posted that and I will edit.
You understand my point the reduced read access time of the SSD. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Hopalong/ Godzilla OS Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit CPU Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Motherboard ASUS P7P55D-E PRO Memory 8GB@1400MHz Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600 4x2GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 Sound Card VIA Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 941BW 19"ws Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Logitech K-320 PSU COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RS850-AMBAJ3-US 850W Modular Case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Cooling Scythe "Mugen-2 Rev.B" (2 ScytheKaze-Jyuni PWM fans) Hard Drives Intel 320 120GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s |
01-18-2012
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#7 | | Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte 
Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X ...
If you can check the defrag amount on your SSD that means Defrag is not disabled on your system.
It should be disabled.
... sorry hoppy, but i'm not sure if this is 100% accurate either.
you can still run the defrag program, to analyse without actually defragging. what you need to disable is scheduled defrags on the SSD - most people have ssd's and an hdd or two, so they may still wish to defrag the hard disks. Then it isn't disabled on the SSD.
Mine is set per what is in black inside the quotes.
I highlighted in red how to set if you need to defrag other HDD's/spinners from the SSD.
WHS's tutorial here on the forum. SSD - Install and transfer the Operating System Quote: Settings after the OS transfer Disk Defragmentation makes no sense on an SSD. For a laptop, go into Services, navigate to Disk Defragmenter, right click on it and go to Properties. Here you set the service to Disabled. For a desktop, you may want to disable defrag in the Disk Defragmenter and only for the SSD so that the remaining HDDs can still be defragmented. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Hopalong/ Godzilla OS Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit CPU Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Motherboard ASUS P7P55D-E PRO Memory 8GB@1400MHz Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600 4x2GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 Sound Card VIA Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 941BW 19"ws Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Logitech K-320 PSU COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RS850-AMBAJ3-US 850W Modular Case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Cooling Scythe "Mugen-2 Rev.B" (2 ScytheKaze-Jyuni PWM fans) Hard Drives Intel 320 120GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s |
01-19-2012
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#8 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit |
Thanks for the replies. I keep a defrag programme as I have two 1TB SATA drives in addition to the SSDs.
Yes, I have only analyzed the defragmjentation on the SSDs, not tried to defragment them. I have no scheduling active for defrag..
Martin | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit CPU Intel Core i7 950 CPU @ 4.00GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Memory Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 12800C9 1600MHz Graphics Card GeForce GTX 460 Sonic GPU, 2048MB Monitor(s) Displays HannsG 28" & 22" Hard Drives 1 x OCZ Vertex 2E 60gb SSD;
1 x Corsair Force 120GB SSD;
2 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA2 |
01-19-2012
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#9 | | Win 7 premium 64bit/Win Pro XP 32bit /Ubuntu 12.04 |
only defrag HDD's. The SSD will be fine. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number me OS Win 7 premium 64bit/Win Pro XP 32bit /Ubuntu 12.04 CPU AMD Athlon II X4 640 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.1GHz|(O.C)3.4GHz Motherboard M5A78L-MLX Plus Memory 4096MB RAM DDR3 Graphics Card XFX HD 6870 1GB Sound Card Logitech Speakers (VIA High Definition Audio) Monitor(s) Displays 21inch monitor vga Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft USB Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 (IntelliType Pro) Mouse HP 1000dpi desktop mouse PSU CORSAIR CX600 600w Case AZZA Orion 202 EVO Cooling 4fans and cool master hyper TX3 cpu cooler Hard Drives 500gb hdd 7200rpm Western Digital Internet Speed 5.6mb down/ 0.55up yeah dsl i know it sucks Other Info just a dude who loves tech Defragging Solid State Drives? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:12 PM. |  |