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Windows 7: Show us your SSD performance 2

29 Mar 2015   #1831
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Wiz apologies accepted I suppose I did take umbrage a little too far and too hastily should have known that you have been on posts with me and never thought too straight and no mate I didn't notice the wink.

Just for the record it made me almost fall off my chair too as the CPU is running at 2.4GHz and it is the first i7 I have ever had.

The RAPID bit I have set to enable the only other thing I have dabbled in the Magician Optimise and the firmware being checked stuff the Over Provisioning I have no idea without looking in a Google at what it even means.
A pic of the Magician open.




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30 Mar 2015   #1832
WizardOfBoz

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

So, I'm building a system from scratch (well, scratch, and the four Lenovo Restore/Recover discs). The lenovo install puts a partition at the end of the disk. This did not allow me to add the overprovisioning, a term which was greek to me also when I saw it. Still not sure I understand it except that it is supposed to prolong SSD life.

I recently had a... let's call it a discussion ... with a chap regarding whether the ultrabay on the Lenovo W530 was SATA3. This introduced me to Crystal Disk Mark (note to others: be VERY careful of which version you download, as most of them have Opencandy built in - sarbin at the Lenovo site advised me to try the portable version, which so far scans clean). And here, the AS SSD benchmark is used. Very similar, although CDM does seem to do more passes and so may be a bit more accurate. And there are differences (most slight, in the 10-15% range, some where one program's value is double the others) in outputs.

So I'm just getting my feed wet wrt benchmarking. And I'm really just starting to use SSDs. The upshot is, I'm going to go back and install an 850 pro in the ultrabay of my W530, and will do benchmarks on both disks using the ATTO, AS, Passmark, and CDM stuff, and post the comparisons. Then I'll turn RAPID on and look at the difference.

Of course, there's a limit to what this means practically (thanks, essenbe). But the benchmarks are nice to give a hint at how well we've got our system tuned.

Thanks for your gracious note. It means a lot to me.
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17 Apr 2015   #1833
nums

Windows 7 Home 64bit
 
 

Heya all.

I currently have two SSDs. A Samsung 840 EVO and OCZ-Vertex2.

The OCZ drive has problems, randomly deciding it not longer wants to be recognized, after searching around it seems to be a common problem with that particular drive and despite all attempts nothing seems to fix it, so I'm looking for a replacement.

Been looking at the PCI-e SSDs and was wondering if anyone here knew much about them? Are they worth it? Does the mobo need specific support for it? Any drawbacks?
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17 Apr 2015   #1834
jonnyhillow

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

As far as the "Open Candy" PUP mentioned , it is my experience that "Eset Online scanner " will always catch it when you enable (check for unwanted programs) but i can't say that for the majority of other on demand scanners etc...

I have used many types including some of the most highly regarded over the years and apparently "Open Candy" seems to have been declassified by many of them so they just do not pick it up even as a "PUP".

Eset is one of the very very few that does always pick it up in my experience but don't forget to check the advanced options boxes.
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17 Apr 2015   #1835
WizardOfBoz

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

nums,

There's a lot of information about PCIe here, and lots of inflamed rhetoric about PCIe v1,2,3, or 4 vs SATA, but I find the following graph somewhat calming:


I'm using an 850 Pro at SATA 3 (6Gb/s, 600Mb/s). Some of the higher-specification PCI-e stuff (rev 4, for example), might be interesting, but I can't find specs on PCIe rev levels for my W530.

jonny,
Thanks, I had not heard of eset. That said, there IS a version of Crystal Disk Maker that is standalone, and does not appear to have open candy (when I scan with mwbm and Norton). This version is what I used.
Thx,
Jim
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17 Apr 2015   #1836
jonnyhillow

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I have an Intel 530 and while not showing the performance #'s as some other drives it has lightning fast boot times.
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17 Apr 2015   #1837
WizardOfBoz

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

Jonny,

Certainly, all of the disks we have now are lightning fast compared to even a year or two ago (not even thinking about the 5Mb 5 1/4 disks in the old IBM XTs!). The Intel 530 is SATA 3, and so should compare in the same range with the disks in the chart posted above, as long as your rig handles SATA 3 disks.

As I've said, at no time in recent memory has the lack of CPU or hard drive speed slowed down my typing in MS Word.

Jim
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17 Apr 2015   #1838
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

The problem with the Sata 3 is you always see the 6 Gb/s mentioned. That is the theoretical limit of Sata 3. It can only be achieved in a lab under perfect conditions. The practical limit has been reached for a few years. The most you are going to actually get over sata 3 is in the 450-550 Gb/s range. That is why the newer chipsets are going to M.2 ports. They do not run from the Sata Bus. They run over PCIe lanes. I don't know whether the 1150 chipset has M.2, but my board has it and it uses 4 PCIe lanes, which equates to 8 GB/s on each lane, so 32GB/s max. The problem is there are very few devices right now. I read where Samsung is in manufacturing of one which supposedly will do that fast. but, I suspect they will be expensive and I would like to see the actual speed of it. It is sort of like the often quoted specs of USB 3.0 being 10 times faster than USB 2.0. That is lab stuff too. You will never see close to the speeds they quote.
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17 Apr 2015   #1839
Windows Sniper

Windows 8.1
 
 

I grabbed a Crucial CT512 MX drive in the black friday sales last year for 60. Not yet actually benched it!

So here we go!








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17 Apr 2015   #1840
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I have run Intel SSD's on sata 2.0 and 3.0 and I can't tell the difference.

When I can move my mouse or type on my keyboard so fast the usb 2.0 is to slow I will have to run cooling water to both my mouse and keyboard.

Remember the magic three words when they talk about the speeds.

(Up To Speeds)

The new M.2 PCIe will be super fast but what are you going to do with all that speed.
M.2 is very fast but everything else on the motherboard is still running the old sata and usb speeds.
The newer cpu's and ram will like it, but again what does the rest of the system do will that speed?

At the present time my speed slow poke is the internet speed I have.
Don't get me wrong; when the time comes I will build a system with M.2 just for S & G and tinkering.
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