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Windows 7: motherboard revival? suitable for Win 7?

21 Mar 2012   #51
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Dave has already given some DRAM settings to follow. Being on Auto is why the RAM is running at different speeds.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only setting I saw Dave suggest were to do with voltages which shouldn't affect the speed.
You're right but OP needs to get it stable then fuss with the speed, that's not causing the restarts.


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21 Mar 2012   #52
gemini2010

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
Golden has given great advice. I'd add that sometimes new RAM can be finicky, so you might need to be patient. I went through three matched sets this past weekend for that 8GB for my desktop. Had random crashing, ran Memtest and had to go back to the store three times before they finally had a set that worked.
I'm wondering why this occured with Colonal Travis. Is it hit and miss when finding a suitable type of RAM?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Is this your motherboard: Asus M2N68-AM
If it is you can download the manual from there.

These are the right place to adjust the DRAM and Chipset voltages. Page 2-8 in your motherboard manual.
Quote:
Memory Over Voltage [Auto]
(Options are *Min = 1.85000V, Max = 2.24375V, Standard = 1.8500V, Increment = 0.00625V)
Set to 'Manual' and change the DRAM voltage to 1.950v.

Quote:
Chipset Voltage [Auto]
(Options are Auto, +50mv, +100mv, +150mv)
Set to 'Manual' and change the Chipset voltage +100mv.

Post the voltage of the chipset, after the increase.

With the 'Bad' RAM installed, run memtest86+ again, for 7 full passes.
If you get any errors, stop the test and let us know the results.
The manual I downloaded didn't go into much detail.
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22 Mar 2012   #53
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

All motherboard manuals are intentionally vague, I don't think it would be much trouble for them to at least give a little more info on the BIOS settings but, they don't.
You have to get the details from experience or research. Motherboard, RAM and OC'ing sites have good info on various settings adjustments. Just remember, not every post is good information.

As for the (bad) RAM settings, it is a common practice to lower frequencies and/or 'loosen' timings (higher numbers) when dealing with unstable RAM, also bumping the DRAM and NB (memory controller) voltage.
As to why the motherboard was running the RAM on 'auto' at 371MHz, either the manufacturer set it that way or the builder set it, both scenarios tell me the RAM is not 100% and had to be underclocked to run.
Since your RAM was slightly underclocked at 371MHz, recommended (SPD tab) frequency is 400MHz, and we bumped the voltage by a fair amount, which resulted in a shutdown and reboot, is indicating that the RAM is more than likely gone bad.

RAM is more finicky than other computer components, sometimes the RAM is just not stable even when new (or 6 months old), sometimes RAM is optimized for a set of specific motherboards and may or may not run on other motherboards.
AMD CPUs seem to have more issues, a larger percent of computers have Intel CPUs so most RAM manufacturers tend to setup RAM to run on Intel systems. Some of the RAM will run on AMD systems, but I have seen a lot of issues due to RAM that is not optimized to run on AMD boards.


We could play around with frequencies, timings and voltages but, I don't think the RAM is going to be salvageable.
If you want to put Win7 on this machine you will need at least 2GB RAM, I would get a kit of two matched RAM cards. You system will run better with two RAM cards, this will enable dual channel mode which is faster performance wise.
AMD has started selling their own brand of RAM due to this issue, when you look for RAM make sure it is made to run on an AMD system. Also make sure the shop you get it from has a good return policy, this is very important.
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22 Mar 2012   #54
Duzzy

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
As to why the motherboard was running the RAM on 'auto' at 371MHz, either the manufacturer set it that way or the builder set it, both scenarios tell me the RAM is not 100% and had to be underclocked to run.
Thanks Dave that is what I originally asked.

@gemini
If purchasing new RAM take note your board only supports a max of 4GB 2x2GB don't go overboard and purchase 2 4GB sticks.

2GB will be the bare minimum for x64 but it will run ok. I have a second PC running x64 on a AMD4600+ with 2GB. It's not super fast but it runs just don't expect to play the latest games.
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22 Mar 2012   #55
Dave76

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You're welcome Duzzy.

Good advice on the RAM, need to stay within the motherboard limitations.
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22 Mar 2012   #56
gemini2010

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

Dave,

Thanks so much for your help. You have helped me understand a lot about my PC. I have used these sorts of test apps before, but I have been out of practice for so long that I had forgotten such applications exist. I think the statement under your name says it all, "endeaver to persevere".

I am not sure if I should look at getting new RAM for this problem PC, or upgrade the RAM in my other PC which is an Intel 1.8Ghz, slightly slower but it hasn't missed a beat in the 2.5 yrs. As you have pointed out, AMD are more likely to have these issues and this was also known during my study years. I don't know why I agreed to go with this board actually. This is where it gets even more confusing though because my old Intel (which was initially built to custom specs) was changed to AMD at upgrade, and old AMD was changed to Intel at upgrade.

Up until now I have been avoiding all this computer stuff. The two desktops I had rebuilt were basically just toys and I had a computer tech work out the specs, rather than me investigating and researching it, purely out of lazyness on my behalf. My laptop had seen me through the past 5 years. But I am now being asked to maybe think about building one from scratch that would be capable of gaming etc. I've never been much of a gamer, but my husband and children love them. I will have to think about it a little more I think. Maybe investigate threads about building a suitable stable PC/Network Server.

Anyhoo, I guess I can mark this thread as solved now with a conclusion of DEAD RAM...!!!
Its nice to know that new RAM can fix the problem

Again, thanks so much for everyone's input for this thread.
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22 Mar 2012   #57
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Great stuff. Yes, Dave is a legend when it comes hardware - thats why I asked him to have a look here.

Adelaide doesn't have much in the way of PC shops (or not that I have seen anyway) - I got my gear at www.allneeds.com.au in the city on King William Road

Regards,
Golden
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22 Mar 2012   #58
gemini2010

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
Great stuff. Yes, Dave is a legend when it comes hardware - thats why I asked him to have a look here.

Adelaide doesn't have much in the way of PC shops (or not that I have seen anyway) - I got my gear at www.allneeds.com.au in the city on King William Road

Regards,
Golden
Thanks for that Golden.. I will have a flick through their site tomorrow!
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22 Mar 2012   #59
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

You're welcome.

Since your problem PC runs fine with the RAM from your good PC, I would just get new RAM for the good PC and put the working RAM on the other one.

You can start a thread in Hardware & Devices, describe what you want the new build to do and your budget. There will be lots of help, there has been many threads like that and they have gotten good advice.

Good luck with your PC's, old and new.
Let us know how the new RAM is working.
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