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20 Apr 2012   #11
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DrQuestion View Post
Last question guys! I was going for this :ASUS LGA 1155 - Z68 PRO
But what is the difference between Z68 pro /Gen3 & v/gen3 & Deluxe/Gen3?
Peripheral support, VRM power - the Pro has moe phases than the v and I think the deluxe has more phases than that. You can compare their features side-by-side at the Asus site. That is why I ask about what are you going to use this for and how far are you going to overclock, for extreme overclocking you would want, in general, more phases to the CPU. But for moderate overclocks any of those will do.


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20 Apr 2012   #12
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

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What does Deluxe have what pro dont have and what does pro have that the normal dont have?
Here are the differences, if you choose to believe Newegg product details:

P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3

4 x SATA 6Gb/s

Audio Chipset Realtek ALC892

Rear Panel Ports

Video Ports

D-Sub + DVI

1 x HDMI

6 x USB 2.0

1 x eSATA 3Gb/s

S/PDIF Out 1 x Optical

Internal I/O Connectors

2 x USB 3.0 + 6 x USB 2.0

2 x 1394a for Firewire

2 x CPU Fan connector(s) (4 -pin)

GPU Boost - Push the Limits with iGPU Level Up!


P8Z68-V/GEN3

2 x SATA 6Gb/s

Audio Chipset Realtek ALC892

Video Ports: D-Sub + DVI and 1 x HDMI

6 x USB 2.0

1 x eSATA 3Gb/s

S/PDIF Out 1 x Optical

Internal I/O Connectors

Onboard USB 2 x USB 3.0 + 6 x USB 2.0

No 1394 connector for Firewire

2 x CPU Fan connector(s) (4 -pin)

GPU Boost - Push the Limits with iGPU Level Up!


P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3

4 x SATA 6Gb/s

Audio Chipset Realtek ALC889

LAN Chipset Intel 82579

Second LAN Chipset Realtek 8111E

Rear Panel Ports

1 x PS/2 keyboard/mouse port

No D SUB-DVI

No HDMI

8 x USB 2.0

1 x IEEE 1394a

1 x eSATA 3Gb/s

1 x Power eSATA 3Gb/s

S/PDIF Out 1 x Optical, 1 x Coaxial

Internal I/O Connectors

2 x USB 3.0 + 4 x USB 2.0

1 x 1394a Firewire

1 x CPU Fan connector(s) (4 -pin)

No GPU Boost
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20 Apr 2012   #13
Marshall Moore

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I use the i7 2600k and you do need the Z68 because the chip has on-board Intel graphics engine if you go with a H67 board you can not overclock your CPU if you choose to do so. The 2600k has the Intel graphics engine built into the chip that is more efficient converting video than a graphics card however a graphics card out performs Intel graphics engine in the CPU if you are gaming. The H67 can't be used for overclocking the purpose in the 2600k is that it is unlocked giving you the ability to overclock. The limitations of the P67 are that while you do have the ability to overclock the cpu you must choose to permanently dedicate your graphics to either CPU based or GPU based (the instant you install a graphics card into a P67 you disable the graphics on the chip. The Z68 allows you to use both graphics features as your needs change from one to the other. I know you didn't pay extra for a 2600k just to use a board that will limit its features. I do both with my system. When I convert video the Hyperthreading abilities kick in and make a significant difference in performance (you need to be sure you use software that takes advantage of this feature as well). When I play my games I get to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated graphics card.
The reason I stated earlier to go ATX instead of microATX was (now that I think about it I don't believe I've seen a microATX in with the Z68 chipset, not sure about that) unless your into slim design, do not need many ram slots, or expansion slots you wouldn't be happy with it. The fact that you have a 2600k already tells me you don't want limitations. I do not claim to have the best system or know everything, but you can check out my system specks and see what I did. I am very happy with mine. Good Luck
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20 Apr 2012   #14
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marshall Moore View Post
The 2600k has the Intel graphics engine built into the chip that is more efficient converting video than a graphics card.
Not true. The built-in graphics is only meant to be used in two situations...when no other card is available, or you want to run using less power...as in a laptop.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marshall Moore View Post
The H67 can't be used for overclocking the purpose in the 2600k is that it is unlocked giving you the ability to overclock.
There have been plenty of consumer H67 boards that offer overclocking features.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marshall Moore View Post
The limitations of the P67 are that while you do have the ability to overclock the cpu you must choose to permanently dedicate your graphics to either CPU based or GPU based

The Z68 allows you to use both graphics features as your needs change from one to the other.

When I convert video the Hyperthreading abilities kick in and make a significant difference in performance (you need to be sure you use software that takes advantage of this feature as well).

When I play my games I get to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated graphics card.
Again, you are giving the OP misleading information. When you have an add-in card, you aren't using your built-in video for anything. If you fire up something like Handbrake...you aren't using the video chip at all. If you are using a more robust video-encoder, they all take advantage of the dedicated GPU...CUDA for Nvidia and the equivalent for ATI/AMD. Hyperthreading support is there regardless of the video card in use. That's a processor function, and unrelated to the graphics.


Not to pile on, but you can often find MicroATX boards with 4 memory slots. For some people, that wouldn't be an issue. Give the person options...don't lead them down a narrow path ignoring other possible options.
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20 Apr 2012   #15
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marshall Moore View Post
The 2600k has the Intel graphics engine built into the chip that is more efficient converting video than a graphics card.
Not true. The built-in graphics is only meant to be used in two situations...when no other card is available, or you want to run using less power...as in a laptop.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marshall Moore View Post
The H67 can't be used for overclocking the purpose in the 2600k is that it is unlocked giving you the ability to overclock.
There have been plenty of consumer H67 boards that offer overclocking features.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marshall Moore View Post
The limitations of the P67 are that while you do have the ability to overclock the cpu you must choose to permanently dedicate your graphics to either CPU based or GPU based

The Z68 allows you to use both graphics features as your needs change from one to the other.

When I convert video the Hyperthreading abilities kick in and make a significant difference in performance (you need to be sure you use software that takes advantage of this feature as well).

When I play my games I get to enjoy the benefits of a dedicated graphics card.
Again, you are giving the OP misleading information. When you have an add-in card, you aren't using your built-in video for anything. If you fire up something like Handbrake...you aren't using the video chip at all. If you are using a more robust video-encoder, they all take advantage of the dedicated GPU...CUDA for Nvidia and the equivalent for ATI/AMD. Hyperthreading support is there regardless of the video card in use. That's a processor function, and unrelated to the graphics.


Not to pile on, but you can often find MicroATX boards with 4 memory slots. For some people, that wouldn't be an issue. Give the person options...don't lead them down a narrow path ignoring other possible options.
Not to get into a ping-pong match here, but Moore was referring to Quick Sync:

Intel Quick Sync Video - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've never used it, but it is supposed to be available with a Z68 board and a CPU with onboard graphics, even if a discrete graphics card is installed. Then, it requires that the Lucid Virtu software is installed.

As regards H67 motherboards that permit using the unlocked multiplier on a 2600k, can you list one? (Other forms of overclocking may be of interest, but I'm unaware of any for SB chips that offer more than a few percent.)
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20 Apr 2012   #16
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marshall Moore View Post
The 2600k has the Intel graphics engine built into the chip that is more efficient converting video than a graphics card.
Not true. The built-in graphics is only meant to be used in two situations...when no other card is available, or you want to run using less power...as in a laptop.
That's funny. I use mine for a second monitor. Also, the Intel graphics has superior video transcoding capabilities. You can only access those if the graphics ins enable either by using it as a second graphics controller for an additional monitor, or using the Virtu software to enable it and share frame buffers with your discrete graphics card.
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20 Apr 2012   #17
Marshall Moore

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I was referring to Quick Sync. I bought the i2600k it was my first build and all I knew at the time about motherboards was I had to be sure it had an 1155 socket for my CPU (about a year ago) so I chose the Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3. My decision at that time was mostly based on price and I was unaware of the differences in motherboards. After I put my system together I discovered I could not overclock my CPU because it was an H67. I was so naive at the time that I didn't even realize the M in the model number stood for micro. The smaller form factor only came with two ram slots. I discovered for example that if I ever wanted more than 8gbs of memory I would be catapulted into a new level of pricing. In other words 2 x 8gb sticks would cost double that of 4 x 4gb sticks enough more to than had I simply went with ATX. I had focused on reading reviews online and compared ratings of different CPU's. I knew nothing about overclocking but I wanted to learn which is the reason I shelled out 320 bucks for the 2600k. I was depressed about the limitations of the H67 but I lived with this regrettable purchase for 9 months. However, I learned a valuable lesson. I finally could work it into my budget to replace that motherboard with one that would allow me to do what I wanted to do in the first place. I deeply read and studied P67 vs Z68. For me the Z68 was what I wanted. The price difference if there was one was in significant. I have also replaced the original PSU, Graphics card, added an aftermarket heatsink, case fans, etc. My point is the only thing my new system has in common with the first build is the case, a HDD and the CPU. So if I had purchased the same things I currently have in the beginning I would have spent more than 1000 dollars less. So when I read the decision had been already made to build system around the i7 2600k I felt qualified to share my thoughts. My intention was to help if I could. I do not know who DeaconFrost is or why he attacked my input the way he did. I do have an ASS degree in Computer Science Technology. I have learned while obtaining that degree that no one knows everything about computers including myself, my college professors, nor Mr. DeaconFrost. He made me feel that he had a mission to discredit my thoughts almost to the point to make feel unqualified to participate in this forum. He did not succeed.

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20 Apr 2012   #18
GeneO

Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
 
 

Quick sync is just an app that takes advantage of the on chip graphics transcoding capabilities. That is something Deacon ignored or was not aware of I think.
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