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05 May 2012   #31

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I feel like a fool.
Don't fret. We all gotta start somewhere. Just keep learning/trying and you'll make it.
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I had assumed the Linksys was wireless. Please forget I ever mentioned this router.

Now back to Apple Airport Extreme.

Someone mentioned that iMack is not required to set up this router. This will be investigated next.
Yeah, forget about the Linksys if you're gonna need wireless.

As far as the AE, you're gonna need the software as it apparently doesn't have a web based setup utility (at least on the two models I looked at). No built in web server. So if you don't have the CD for it you're going to have to download it from here: Apple - Support - Search

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06 May 2012   #32

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Thanks, Sibbil.

I finally found the Apple cd which accompanied the Airport Extreme router. Apparently, it can be installed from a PC.

I believe the connection is ISP modem>router>CPU using ethernet cables.

However, describing and actually doing are two different things with computers.
I still believe I will need an ethernet splitter between my router and CPU.
I hope the signal loss is not great enough to cause interference.
Time (and connections) will tell.

Grats, again.
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06 May 2012   #33

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

You got it:

ISP modem>router>CPU using ethernet cables

The above connection is required for set up. Once you've got the AE properly set up, including the wireless capability, you can leave it connected as above or you can disconnect the ethernet from the CPU and connect via wireless. You can roam from room to room and still have an internet connection via the wireless capability (within about 100' range). You can switch between wired and wireless whenever you want. You can leave the wireless adapter in your PC turned on and connected all the time if you want. If you then plug in the ethernet your PC will have two paths to the internet, and the PC will automatically pick the path to use (either wired or wireless). You can disconnect ethernet cable to roam again and never lose the internet.

A little long winded but hopefully gets the point across.

You should have no need for that splitter. At first it sounded like you might be trying to create some special setup, but it's becoming rather apparent you're just looking for a typical "standard" internet/network setup.

You shouldn't have to worry how the router is hindering your file downloads. The reduction in throughput introduced by the router would be marginable, not detrimental.
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09 May 2012   #34

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After all the info from different sources, I am still confused on how to proceed here.

My cable company said they would install a router, compatible with PC and Mac for $2.95 a month, which includes installation and maintnance. The range is 230 feet (less here due to hospitals and computer facility). First 3 months free. Can cancel at any time without penalty. Uses common 802.11n protocall.

I will probably try the Airport Extreme one more time. Modem to router to computer, as before.

However, the cable company offer seems like the way to go, even if I take the 3 month free trial offered while continuing to work on the Apple router problem. I have been given conflicting information from different sources.

I will inform you of my progress.

I am most grateful for your valued input.
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09 May 2012   #35

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Although that's rather inexpensive, especially the first three months, you need to understand that a router typically doesn't know or care what OS is running on the devices it connects with.

Most routers can be configured for use by simply using your machine (with whatever OS) and opening whatever browser you use and navigating to a known address (found in the manual or internet). Your AE router is apparently different in this regard, as it appears as though it is only configurable by a setup program. So you have to find a version of the setup program that will run on your OS. But once the router has been set up (configured) the OS no longer matters.

So, since you've found the CD that came with the AE, have you loaded it into your PC's CD tray to see if it's got a setup program that can run on your machine? Have you tried running anything that came on that CD?

I kind of doubt that you need anything more from the cable company other than the modem you're likely already renting and paying for each month, along with the service itself.
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09 May 2012   #36

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Thanx for the prompt reply.

The Apple cd does indeed play on my Windows 7 computer. Thus I should have no trouble with setup. However, having limited expertise in computer technology, I never take anything for granted. The frequent use of terminology, which I must look up somewhere else, is frustrating and always slows me down. However, I will attempt it.

My concern is the difficulty mentioned some time ago: inability to connect to Internet, ISP tells me it is the router's fault, power off the router, power on again.
This problem with download of large files probably still exists.
I was told that power down of the router affects only settings of peripheral components, not those of the router itself. Thus power off/on of the router did not affect Wifi function.

Finally, I am considering wifi rental scheme as a way to restore service to my house. Thus I could find out if my new Asus netbook which does not now connect can be set so as to work. I must be assured of a functioning wifi to do this.
I am hoping I only have to adjust some settings; I have already set it to 'search for available networks'.

Next: what is the bandwidth capability of the AE router? If I only download these files when the computer is 'resting', ie powered on but not in use (such as overnight), can the AE handle these downloads?
My brother believes that router detects something 'suspicious' about these files and thus retards downloads. Any truth to this?

If I must give up downloads fo Wifi capability, this would be difficult which to give up. Perhaps I should check some other manufacturer. Tens of millions download these files without difficulty. Why me????

Thanx again.
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09 May 2012   #37

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Thanx for the prompt reply.
You're welcome!
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The Apple cd does indeed play on my Windows 7 computer. Thus I should have no trouble with setup. However, having limited expertise in computer technology, I never take anything for granted. The frequent use of terminology, which I must look up somewhere else, is frustrating and always slows me down. However, I will attempt it.
That's understandable. There's a lot there to have to grasp to get your feet on the ground.
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My concern is the difficulty mentioned some time ago: inability to connect to Internet, ISP tells me it is the router's fault, power off the router, power on again. This problem with download of large files probably still exists.
ISP is liable to place blame elsewhere first. First off, they can see the status of your modem. But I'm also sure they would like to start collecting an extra $3/month by supplying a router too.
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I was told that power down of the router affects only settings of peripheral components, not those of the router itself. Thus power off/on of the router did not affect Wifi function.
Wrong!

If your modem is connected to the router's WAN/Internet port (as it should be connected), and then power down the router, you lose all service from your ISP. Doesn't matter whether your PC is wired or wireless. If your PC is able to get on the internet at that point, it means it has wirelessly connected to someone else's network/ISP (like a neighbor's). Not a good thing.

Powering down the router also prevents your machines/devices/PC's from communicating with each other, as the router is the link between them all that allows intermachine communication.
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Finally, I am considering wifi rental scheme as a way to restore service to my house. Thus I could find out if my new Asus netbook which does not now connect can be set so as to work. I must be assured of a functioning wifi to do this.
Start with using your Asus netbook to properly configure the AE using the software on the CD. The Asus must be connected to the AE via ethernet to do this. Then:
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I am hoping I only have to adjust some settings; I have already set it to 'search for available networks'.
Now you can set up the wireless connection, but the only "available network" you want to automatically connect to is yours. You might want to use the wireless connection software built into Windows. Disable any Asus software that is trying to handle network connections. Windows handles it better than most any of the hardware manufacturer's software. Not only that but it's easier to get help since more often than not you'll tend to get help from someone connecting via Windows.

To make sure you are wirelessly connected to your own network, you'll have to use your PC to find the wireless network provided by the AE router. Make sure no wireless networks are set up to connect automatically, and disconnect from any wireless network that it may have already connected to. Search the list of available wireless networks and find the name you gave to the AE when you set it up (SSID is usually the term that is used to represent a network name). When you find it, connect to it, entering the same wireless password you used when setting up the AE. When connected, right click on the SSID name, select properties, and set it up to connect automatically.

If you left the ethernet cable connected, the computer will actually have two network connections to the AE. You could see this if you went to Control Panel > All Control Panel Items > Network and Sharing Center, then clicking on "See full map" in the upper right corner.

Disconnect the ethernet and you'll still have the wireless connection. Should be able to surf the net. Now power down the router. See if you can surf the net. If you can, that means you're connected to someone else's network -- start over. If you can't, you're good to go. Power the router back up. See that the PC wirelessly connects to your router.
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Next: what is the bandwidth capability of the AE router? If I only download these files when the computer is 'resting', ie powered on but not in use (such as overnight), can the AE handle these downloads?
Shouldn't have to worry about this, wired or wireless. You would have to time it to notice the difference. Any time day or night. If you pay your ISP for 3 mb/s service, you'll get it.
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My brother believes that router detects something 'suspicious' about these files and thus retards downloads. Any truth to this?
Not likely. Standard consumer based routers typically don't inspect the data as closely as more expensive routers. If you clicked on a link to download a file, the router recognizes that you just asked for it and therefore will let it through. That's one way cheap home routers protect you. It blocks anything you didn't ask for. You have to click first, before it'll let it through.
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