| Windows 7: SSD capacity query |
06 Jun 2012
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#1 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |
SSD capacity query I notice that both the Sandisk Extreme and Crucial M4 had similar drops in the stated capacity when I went to prepare them with the diskpart feature.
The drop was around 9GB - Sandisk 120GB to 111GB and the Crucial M4 128GB to 119GB - yet the Samsung 120GB had little to no drop in reported capacity.
Is this normal? | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK |
06 Jun 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |
Not that I've heard of.
Maybe Samsung is using the "other" method of calculating space.
The loss is usually between 6.9% and 7.0%.
Are you using the same tools to format and measure the 3 brands? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
06 Jun 2012
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#3 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic Not that I've heard of.
Maybe Samsung is using the "other" method of calculating space.
The loss is usually between 6.9% and 7.0%.
Are you using the same tools to format and measure the 3 brands? Yep I use Wolfgangs tut on the same machine.
Not sure of what you mean the other method though. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK |
06 Jun 2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol 
Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic Not that I've heard of.
Maybe Samsung is using the "other" method of calculating space.
The loss is usually between 6.9% and 7.0%.
Are you using the same tools to format and measure the 3 brands? Yep I use Wolfgangs tut on the same machine.
Not sure of what you mean the other method though. There are 2 methods of calculating space. That's why you usually get that 7% loss. The formatted space measurement uses one method. The advertised space uses another.
Maybe Samsung's advertised space is the same as formatted. That is--their so called 120 GB drive would be advertised at maybe 129 if sold by Crucial. 129 x .93 = 120. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
07 Jun 2012
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#5 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |
Yeah I guess the only way to actually find out would be to take it apart and calculate the capacity form the number of chips contained in and that assuming one would know the capacity of each chip.
But it does leave you wondering why the Sandisk and the Crucial both of 128GB have such differing "final" capacities. I don't know about anyone else but the Sandisk capacity is considerably down on the M4 and is it really worth the bother of getting the Sandisk for less price as it would seem that you end up with less anyway.
I only got it because of the price and the benchmarking against the Samsung which showed up the Sandisk as being very close if not as good as the Samsung.
It would also be not unreasonable for us to expect that they put the final capacity on their ads for these things too don't you think? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK |
07 Jun 2012
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#6 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol It would also be not unreasonable for us to expect that they put the final capacity on their ads for these things too don't you think? You mean by law?
Otherwise, it's not likely. Given a choice between Brand X with 128 gb and Brand Y with 120, the average mouth-breather is going to go for the 128, regardless of "final capacity". | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
07 Jun 2012
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 Doncaster, UK |
It's all about marketing, and how the capacities are represented. The disks are advertised using the decimal version of Giga, so they are correctly stating the capacity. Let's do the calculations and see how they compare with your figures.
128GB (as advertised) = 128 x 10^9 (decimal Giga)= 128,000,000,000 bytes
128,000,000,000 / 1024^3 (binary Giga) = just over 119GiB
120GB = 120 x 10^9 = 120,000,000,000
120,000,000,000 / 1024^3 = 111.75GiB
Both these sets of figures tie in with what you have above. As regards the Samsung drive, it is possible that this is in fact a 128GB model that has been marked up, not in the decimal sense of GB, but rather in the binary sense. Incidentally, look closely at the capacity marking of this drive. Is it marked as GB or GiB ? GB is the convention used for decimal Giga, whereas GiB is the binary version. Unfortunately, there is no conistency in their use. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dwarf Dwf/11/2012 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 CPU Intel Core-i5-3570K 4-core @ 3.4GHz (Ivy Bridge) (OC 4.2GHz) Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M Memory 4 x 4GB DDR3-1600 Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (16GB) Graphics Card 2 x AMD Radeon HD7770 1GB CrossFired (OC 1100MHz/1250MHz) Sound Card Realtek High Definition on board solution (ALC 898) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VA1912w Widescreen (VGA) Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 3000 (USB) Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 for Business (USB) PSU XFX Pro Series 850W Semi-Modular Case Gigabyte IF233 Cooling 1 x 120mm Front Inlet 1 x 120mm Rear Exhaust Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 SSD 120GB SATA III x2 (RAID 0)
Samsung HD501LJ 500GB SATA II x2
Hitachi HDS721010CLA332 1TB SATA II
Iomega 1.5TB Ext USB 2.0
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07 Jun 2012
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#8 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |
Well one lives and learns eh and I think that the average mug like me sees the higher rate as gospel and well someone my age should know better by now that theres no such thing as free lunch eh?
I suppose it's all in the semantics - clever people. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK |
08 Jun 2012
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 Mt. Crumpit/Whoville |
It's all Microsoft's fault.  Windows counts a gigabyte as 1,073,741,824 bytes, it's binary form. Drive makers count a gigabyte as 1,000,000,000 bytes, its decimal form.
To make it more confusing, RAM vendors count a GB as they should be, in binary form. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built Desktop By DataTech OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 CPU Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz 4x4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old, beat-up Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon Rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB for OS, 750GB Seagate MomentusXT for data, 500GB Seagate Constellation for storage Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Antivirus Norton Internet Security Browser IE 9, Opera when needed Other Info 4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power generator with flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts. SSD capacity query problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:11 PM. | |