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Windows 7: A problem with defining a new external Hard Disk

06 Jul 2012   #21
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by a cooperator View Post
My question is, I know software which create a backup copies, such as Acronis Image, Norton Ghost and so on. Do these software have this feature?
If no, could you give me some of these backup programs which have this feature?
Assume you've used Acronis to make a "backup" of your hard drive. And then your hard drive fails. You are not worried because you know you've got a "backup" of everything that was on that hard drive.

So let me ask this: Your hard drive is failed and you need to use one of those files in that "backup". How are you going to open that file in order to use it?


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07 Jul 2012   #22
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

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Assume you've used Acronis to make a "backup" of your hard drive. And then your hard drive fails. You are not worried because you know you've got a "backup" of everything that was on that hard drive.

So let me ask this: Your hard drive is failed and you need to use one of those files in that "backup". How are you going to open that file in order to use it?
You are absolutely speaking about the backup of data and not for the entire system which calls "image back up"

What I have been realizing is: that Acronis or Norton Ghost makes a backup either for the entire system with its programs (image backup) Or for data collected in a drive(backup files) as a single file with some format which doesn't affect with viruses even if the entire system destroys. So if I am going to open a specific file in order to use it, I won't be able to do that, except if I have restored a backed single file(image backup or data backup) created by Acroins, for example, into my computer with the same program created backup .

I am fairly sure what I have said above should be done with an image backup. However, files backup (data backup), I didn't hear that I can use the same program which created a backup to open any individual file I want inside a backup
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07 Jul 2012   #23
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by a cooperator View Post
You are absolutely speaking about the backup of data and not for the entire system which calls "image back up"

What I have been realizing is: that Acronis or Norton Ghost makes a backup either for the entire system with its programs (image backup) Or for data collected in a drive(backup files) as a single file with some format which doesn't affect with viruses even if the entire system destroys. So if I am going to open a specific file in order to use it, I won't be able to do that, except if I have restored a backed single file(image backup or data backup) created by Acroins, for example, into my computer with the same program created backup .

I am fairly sure what I have said above should be done with an image backup. However, files backup (data backup), I didn't hear that I can use the same program which created a backup to open any individual file I want inside a backup
That's it! I think you've got it! That's a proprietary format, because you have to use Acronis first to allow you to access that file. Only Acronis, and no other program, can get that file for you from the backup. No other program can get that file for you. You have to have a copy of Acronis to get to that file, if you don't have a copy of Acronis your backup file is useless.

Quite a few file backup program were also proprietary, you had to use the backup program to extract the file you wanted to use. No other program could get to it. Nowadays I think most save the backup as a simple copy, file by file. If so you can open and use the file with any program that can work with that file type.
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07 Jul 2012   #24
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Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

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Quite a few file backup program were also proprietary, you had to use the backup program to extract the file you wanted to use. No other program could get to it. Nowadays I think most save the backup as a simple copy, file by file. If so you can open and use the file with any program that can work with that file type.
Thank you so much indeed,

I have never ever heard about such programs which save the backup as a simple copy, file by file. Could you give me some of them, please? Because if this might become reality, all the users around the world would be quite relaxed and excited.
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07 Jul 2012   #25
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

I have read how to partition a WD during the computer management tool for Windows 7 and I would respectfully asking you to answer me on these inquires:
First: Why did as fare as I know that :
1TB = 1,024 GB = 1,048,576MB.
2TB = 2,048GB = 2,097,152MB
But I know that the entire capacity doesn't show, so usually the capacity shown in the computer management tool is:
1TB = 931.48GB= 953,835.5MB OR (9538368MB) as it is shown in this explanation step 7.
2TB= 1862.96GB= 1907671.04MB

Some person wants to partition 2TB into two parititions with the same size in the explanation here How to partition and format a WD drive on Windows7, Could you please have a look at the instructions for Windows 7?
Then, so long as drive will be splited is 2TB, why did he say:
"if you have a 2 TB hard drive and you want to split the drive into two partitions, you could type in 1000000 (for 1 TB) in the Simple volume size in MB area."
I think he should have said " type in 9538368 (for 1 TB) in the Simple volume size in MB area." as it is really shown in the screenshot.
In other words, he said you could type in 1000000 (for 1 TB), but what is shown in the screenshot is 9538368. Then how did he siad what he didn't do.

Fianlly: I completely don't konw why he mentioned into the step 4 to another link 'How to initialize or write a signature to a second", as long as he just wants to partition and format the disk. Could you please let me understand what the benefit from this step is?

I hope you understand me.
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07 Jul 2012   #26
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by a cooperator View Post
I have never ever heard about such programs which save the backup as a simple copy, file by file. Could you give me some of them, please? Because if this might become reality, all the users around the world would be quite relaxed and excited.
There are quite a few of them. Did you try the one that came with that external hard drive you've been asking about? It actually looks like it may be pretty good. Just install it, run a backup, and take a look at the files it makes. Try opening one of them...
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07 Jul 2012   #27
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by a cooperator View Post
But I know that the entire capacity doesn't show, so usually the capacity shown in the computer management tool is:
1TB = 931.48GB= 953,835.5MB OR (9538368MB) as it is shown in this explanation step 7.
2TB= 1862.96GB= 1907671.04MB

Some person wants to partition 2TB into two parititions with the same size in the explanation here How to partition and format a WD drive on Windows7, Could you please have a look at the instructions for Windows 7?
Then, so long as drive will be splited is 2TB, why did he say:
"if you have a 2 TB hard drive and you want to split the drive into two partitions, you could type in 1000000 (for 1 TB) in the Simple volume size in MB area."
I think he should have said " type in 9538368 (for 1 TB) in the Simple volume size in MB area." as it is really shown in the screenshot.
In other words, he said you could type in 1000000 (for 1 TB), but what is shown in the screenshot is 9538368. Then how did he siad what he didn't do.
Without checking your math, I'll take your word that the numbers are correct.

He wrote "if you have a 2 TB hard drive", not that he had a 2TB drive. If you look at the screenshot you'll see there was only 953868 available, so typing in a larger number (1000000) would not work.

And after typing that out I see you've got one number wrong (9538368 should be more like 953868); you just mistyped an extra digit.
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Fianlly: I completely don't konw why he mentioned into the step 4 to another link 'How to initialize or write a signature to a second", as long as he just wants to partition and format the disk. Could you please let me understand what the benefit from this step is?

That's not a step 4, it's just a "random" link the website puts up that is in some way related to the topic.
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08 Jul 2012   #28
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by F5ing View Post

Without checking your math, I'll take your word that the numbers are correct.

He wrote "if you have a 2 TB hard drive", not that he had a 2TB drive. If you look at the screenshot you'll see there was only 953868 available, so typing in a larger number (1000000) would not work.

And after typing that out I see you've got one number wrong (9538368 should be more like 953868); you just mistyped an extra digit.
Thank you very much indeed,
You are right, I have incidentally written one more digit.
But You didn't tell me why he said typing 1000000 for (1TB) and the number typing in the screenshot is not 1000000, but it is 953868?
If I want to partition a HDD, should I have follow that: 1TB=1000000MB or
953868MB?

I am expecting that I will be using the slider without caring about that 1TB=100000MB or
953868MB and also this for the other measurements(1GB=1000MB,931MB.....)to increase or decrease the size for the partition I would like to create.
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That's not a step 4, it's just a "random" link the website puts up that is in some way related to the topic.
Yes, I know this is not related to the steps for the prtition of hard disk; however, I would like to know what it is for. Could you give a little more information about this?
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08 Jul 2012   #29
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by a cooperator View Post
Thank you very much indeed,
You are right, I have incidentally written one more digit.
But You didn't tell me why he said typing 1000000 for (1TB) and the number typing in the screenshot is not 1000000, but it is 953868?
If I want to partition a HDD, should I have follow that: 1TB=1000000MB or 953868MB?

I am expecting that I will be using the slider without caring about that 1TB=100000MB or 953868MB and also this for the other measurements(1GB=1000MB,931MB.....)to increase or decrease the size for the partition I would like to create.
I didn't write it and have no idea why he wrote what he did; you can't always take things so literally and you're going to have to start trying this stuff on your own. That way you can prove to yourself what works and what doesn't. And you mentioned that maybe you won't care about exact size; maybe he didn't care that it was set to the exact size either. But I didn't bother going through the math to figure out what he'd actually end up with. If I had written it I would try to make sure it was accurate.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by a cooperator View Post
Yes, I know this is not related to the steps for the prtition of hard disk; however, I would like to know what it is for. Could you give a little more information about this?
You'll find many links that may be somewhat related to what you're looking for, but for me to know if it's worthwhile spending the time on it I'd have to know what you were trying to accomplish.

If you actually click on it it'll likely take you to a web page where you can read what it's about and maybe even discover how it can be beneficial. But you'll still have to experiment to find out for yourself.
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