| Windows 7: Need help with buying a new desktop |
13 Sep 2012
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#1 | | Win 7 Pro x64 SP1, Win 7 Ult x86 SP1 NC, USA |
Need help with buying a new desktop Any suggestions on where to find the best deal on a Pre-Built PC ?
Looking around for a desktop the best deal i found is a refurbished Gateway from Walmart.
Here is a PC that caught my eye and seems like a good deal. Refurbished Gateway at Walmart DX4860-UB32P | Model
It is Sandy Bridge Tech, biggest downside i see is the 5400 RPM HD, but maybe that's normal for a budget PC.
Intel i3-2120 CPU, 1TB HD, 6GB RAM, ... < $350 USD I'm trying to help someone with buying a new PC.
They currently have an old PC with a single core Intel Celeron CPU and Win XP SP3.
Main use is business apps (MS Office, Corel WP), email, surfing, and "simple on-line" games.
Budget is $400 USD or less for the "PC Box" only.
I help this person remotely using Teamviewer.
I don't have enough recent personal experience with Pre-builts to prefer or discourage any brand over another.
I have no experience with refurbished.
I don't see detailed enough specs on the Best Buy site to know what is really in a PC.
For an online purchase (Newegg...), there might be return shipping costs, restocking fees, and "hassle" if it is defective.
Walmart does have a good return policy at no cost as far as i know.
In this case i feel a local purchase is better than buying online.
Locality is Western NY - Buffalo area.
Thanks for any and all suggestions!
David | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number home built OS Win 7 Pro x64 SP1, Win 7 Ult x86 SP1 CPU AMD Athlon II x4 620 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H Memory 6GB GSkill DDR2 800 Graphics Card AMD 4670 GPU + AMD 4200 IGP Sound Card on board Realtek ALC889A Monitor(s) Displays RCA 40" LCD TV, Insignia 32" LCD TV, HP 15" LCD monitor Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050... Keyboard Gyration wireless, Logitech wireless, Dell USB wired Mouse Gyration wireless, Logitech wireless, V7 USB wired PSU Corsair 500 W Case Rosewill mid tower Cooling CM 90mm Tower Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 120GB,
Samsung F3 1TB (3),
Several others - WD, Seagate, Hitachi, ... Internet Speed Uverse - 12Mbps D / 1.5Mbps U Antivirus Avast free OR MSE. (+ MBAM Pro). Browser 1-Firefox, 2-IE. (Chrome and Opera for testing) Other Info 2 PCs: Primary: dual-boot, Test: triple-boot.
Mainly HTPC/Gen purpose (no gaming).
Trendnet USB KVM.
LG DVD burner/Blue Ray Player.
Tray system for removable SATA backup drives.
Not currently OCd, under-volted.
I use Hybrid sleep, rarely re-boot or shutdown.
Hauppauge HD-PVR, Avermedia PCIe TV Tuner, Hauppauge PCI TV Tuner. |
13 Sep 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |
Offhand, looks good at the price.
I assume they will not eventually upgrade it, but would instead just get another PC entirely, rather than replace parts? Gateways might have cuckoo case or PSU?
It's under 13 inches tall, so cramped. Presumably not an issue if won't be inside.
No intentions of using a discrete video card?
I'd confirm Walmart's return policies.
I wouldn't have expected to see 6 GB of RAM instead of 4 or 8.
Might be able to come close on an AMD deal, but I am pretty much clueless on that side of the divide. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
13 Sep 2012
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#3 | | Win 7 Pro x64 SP1, Win 7 Ult x86 SP1 NC, USA |
my responses are in bold 
Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic Offhand, looks good at the price.
I assume they will not eventually upgrade it, but would instead just get another PC entirely, rather than replace parts? YUP - and 5-10 years would not surprise me.
Gateways might have cuckoo case or PSU? Good point, I'll try and research the PSU fitting in the Case.
I've been through that, finding a standard PSU does not fit !
It's under 13 inches tall, so cramped. Presumably not an issue if won't be inside. agreed
No intentions of using a discrete video card? I don't expect a discreet GPU will be needed, but it does have an x16 slot.
I think a card could be found that fits if ever needed...
I'd confirm Walmart's return policies. YEA - i've read what i can and passed on that "concern"...
I wouldn't have expected to see 6 GB of RAM instead of 4 or 8. agree - that's weird.
I expect it means it will in in Single Channel mode unless ram is added or removed.
From what I've read, Single Channel is really not that big of a performance hit.
Might be able to come close on an AMD deal, but I am pretty much clueless on that side of the divide. YUP - I'm clueless on that right now...
For this price what I've seen is an AMD APU, Intel SB Pentium, or below ...
The Intel I3 is what "seems" better to me from what i know at the moment. Thanks for the feedback ! | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number home built OS Win 7 Pro x64 SP1, Win 7 Ult x86 SP1 CPU AMD Athlon II x4 620 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H Memory 6GB GSkill DDR2 800 Graphics Card AMD 4670 GPU + AMD 4200 IGP Sound Card on board Realtek ALC889A Monitor(s) Displays RCA 40" LCD TV, Insignia 32" LCD TV, HP 15" LCD monitor Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050... Keyboard Gyration wireless, Logitech wireless, Dell USB wired Mouse Gyration wireless, Logitech wireless, V7 USB wired PSU Corsair 500 W Case Rosewill mid tower Cooling CM 90mm Tower Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 120GB,
Samsung F3 1TB (3),
Several others - WD, Seagate, Hitachi, ... Internet Speed Uverse - 12Mbps D / 1.5Mbps U Antivirus Avast free OR MSE. (+ MBAM Pro). Browser 1-Firefox, 2-IE. (Chrome and Opera for testing) Other Info 2 PCs: Primary: dual-boot, Test: triple-boot.
Mainly HTPC/Gen purpose (no gaming).
Trendnet USB KVM.
LG DVD burner/Blue Ray Player.
Tray system for removable SATA backup drives.
Not currently OCd, under-volted.
I use Hybrid sleep, rarely re-boot or shutdown.
Hauppauge HD-PVR, Avermedia PCIe TV Tuner, Hauppauge PCI TV Tuner. |
13 Sep 2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |
At one point in time, Gateway was a contender for Dell. It has since slipped into the background, after a few years of notoriously unreliable computer models. Gateway is still there and seems to be determined not to fade away. I saw one of their latest computers at Walmart and while the design looked sleek and futuristic, the build quality wasn't very good (chintzy keyboard and interface controller). I'd do some Google searching on recent Gateway opinions and see if people are happy with them before buying one of their computers.
Computers tend to be very reliable these days, much more so than in the past. Also, now that Windows operating systems have considerably better integrity and require less technical knowledge to use, things are much better.
But desktops are suffering from the mobile market. Laptops eat their lunch. And now you've got tablets munching in as well. The newest pre-built desktops I've seen in stores tend to look very cheaply made, especially those e-Machines.
Used computers are a much better deal than new, especially for Windows/Intel machines. Check your local Craigslist and you might find a superb deal. The great thing is that when software is included, you save major $$. While you don't have a warranty, again, a solid made computer by a reputable company will generally be problem free.
If your friend must absolutely buy new, I'd recommend getting a Dell. Their desktops have generally been decent quality and pricing is fairly competitive. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavillion dv5t OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core2 Duo T9400 2.53GHz Motherboard Intel Memory 4Gb Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 9600M GT 512Mb Sound Card IDT Screen Resolution 1280x800x80 Mouse Microsoft 4000 Hard Drives Seagate Momentus XT 500Gb
Hitachi Travelstar HTS543225L9A300 250Gb |
13 Sep 2012
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Philadelphia, PA |
I believe Acer now owns Gateway, so they have better backing than in previous years. I'm not a big fan of OEM desktops....except in the situation you are in right now. They are a better option for people who aren't really into their computer...they just need it to do what want, without much expense or hassle.
Dell has some good deals available in their Outlet store online. It's worth checking out quick before you go to purchase this one. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS |
13 Sep 2012
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#6 | | |
Business apps? Is this a home office or a business machine????
If this is anything more than a home "toy" just buy the cheapest optiplex they sell at Dell, with a 3 year warranty. Those Walmart systems are junk components, with parts from the lowest bidder, you really do get what you pay for.
As suggested, an off-corporate lease used Dell system will also be an inexpensive purchase that should last quite a while. I sell used Optiplex 755 dual cores all the time and have had great luck with them. But the new optiplex systems aren't that expensive to begin with. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Me. OS Windows 7 Pro x64 CPU i5-760 running at 4.1 stable @ 40C Motherboard Asus Maxiumus Gene III Memory Corsair 4G Vengeance 2133Mhz Graphics Card ATI 5770 Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Asus 24" and Sony 19' 4:3 Keyboard Logitech G19 Mouse Rat 7 PSU Corsair AX850 Case Antec 900 (original) Cooling Corsair H70 Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 60GB 2xWD 750 Blacks in Raid 0 Internet Speed Cable ~20Mbps |
13 Sep 2012
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#7 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
15 Sep 2012
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#8 | | Win 7 Pro x64 SP1, Win 7 Ult x86 SP1 NC, USA |
Thanks to everyone for the help and suggestions.
I'll see what else i can find and pass this info on, see what they say and go from there. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number home built OS Win 7 Pro x64 SP1, Win 7 Ult x86 SP1 CPU AMD Athlon II x4 620 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H Memory 6GB GSkill DDR2 800 Graphics Card AMD 4670 GPU + AMD 4200 IGP Sound Card on board Realtek ALC889A Monitor(s) Displays RCA 40" LCD TV, Insignia 32" LCD TV, HP 15" LCD monitor Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050... Keyboard Gyration wireless, Logitech wireless, Dell USB wired Mouse Gyration wireless, Logitech wireless, V7 USB wired PSU Corsair 500 W Case Rosewill mid tower Cooling CM 90mm Tower Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 120GB,
Samsung F3 1TB (3),
Several others - WD, Seagate, Hitachi, ... Internet Speed Uverse - 12Mbps D / 1.5Mbps U Antivirus Avast free OR MSE. (+ MBAM Pro). Browser 1-Firefox, 2-IE. (Chrome and Opera for testing) Other Info 2 PCs: Primary: dual-boot, Test: triple-boot.
Mainly HTPC/Gen purpose (no gaming).
Trendnet USB KVM.
LG DVD burner/Blue Ray Player.
Tray system for removable SATA backup drives.
Not currently OCd, under-volted.
I use Hybrid sleep, rarely re-boot or shutdown.
Hauppauge HD-PVR, Avermedia PCIe TV Tuner, Hauppauge PCI TV Tuner. |
15 Sep 2012
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#9 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by DavidW7ncus my responses are in bold
From what I've read, Single Channel is really not that big of a performance hit.[/B]
Realistically, you can - but it's hard.
You'd be able to perceive the difference on the same machine but if you started with single channel and never used dual channel, you'll adapt. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Computers by SmartEyeball OS 8 Pro x64 CPU i7 3770K 4.6GHz Motherboard ASUS P8Z77 WS Memory 16GB G.Skill Trident X 2400mhz Graphics Card 3x Gigabyte GTX 670 OC WindForce *TRI SLI* Sound Card ALC898 / 5.1 receiver/ ATH-AD900 Headphones Monitor(s) Displays x3 Dell U2410 / 58" Samsung / "40 Sony Screen Resolution 5760*1200/ 1920*1200 / 1920*1080 Keyboard Topre Realforce // Ducky Shine MX Black // Filco Ninja TKL Mouse Razer Imperator + Thermaltake Theron PSU Corsair AX1200W Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives 2x Intel 520 240GB (RAID 0) * 2x WD Caviar Blacks 2TB (RAID 0) * 2TB WD Caviar Black Antivirus MSE Browser IE, FF Other Info GT Extreme V2 Sim Racing Cockpit + 40" LCD and K/B Mouse stand ▼
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