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Windows 7: Problems after running SeaTools

18 Oct 2012   #21
koolkat77

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Capture one is of the C's at start up Capture 2 is of the SMART stuff.

I got back home a while back removed the HDD from inside, kept it physically on top of the case. No sound or vibration but I do feel the case vibrating slightly. All pc's vibrate verrrrrryyyy slightly? Don't they? I also disconnected the DVD ROM before booting up.

Should I keep it like this the whole week?

Update: These are screenshots from WD, din't take the test yet.






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18 Oct 2012   #22
Britton30
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I think the drive is OK, SMART status is ok, confirmed from two sources. Go ahead and run the WD test though.
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A PC case will have some tiny teensy-weensy bit of vibration. It should not be audible though unless in a very quiet room.

Since all moving parts are attached to the case, anything vibrating will cause the entire thing to vibrate. It could make it appear to come from different sources.
Someone else suggested a bad fan, I think so too now. You may have several in the PC, exhaust/intake on the case, in the PSU, on the GPU card, and the CPU cooler. One way to isolate is use an empty paper towel tube, one end to an ear and the other end to various fans in the case.


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18 Oct 2012   #23
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Physically touching the drive during a boot as mentioned by Dave76 as well as using an empty paper towel tube as mentioned by Britton30 are both great ways to pinpoint the source. A pencil, one end physically touching the drive and the other touching your ear is another way.

I'm really thinking a fan as a likely culprit like a few of the other posters are thinking. The vibration/noise that a bad fan can make might make someone think it's coming from a drive. If the drive was really the source of the same kind of vibration/noise that a bad fan can make then you'd really have to wonder how much longer it'll last. Most of the SMART numbers in your CrystalDisk snip look good though, similar to a brand new healthy drive. One attribute I'm not sure about is that "Spin-Up Time" number; keep an eye on that attribute (keep Crystal running at all times so that you can see how it changes over time). I don't think it's indicative of a failing drive as it's a long way from tripping SMART, but I think it should be more like 160 or higher.
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19 Oct 2012   #24
koolkat77

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Hmm.. So I did the WD life guard test and the results are attached. One thing which I didn't mention is that there was a loose (small) screw holding the drive all these days and I did switch it with a big one but cannot recall if the drive stopped vibrating that time. Anyway, I've kept the hard drive on top of the case since yesterday and it hasn't vibrated or made any sound. Celsius also remains below 40. I will keep the drive like this for a week

Thanks for the time and input to all


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19 Oct 2012   #25
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by koolkat77 View Post
Hmm.. So I did the WD life guard test and the results are attached. One thing which I didn't mention is that there was a loose (small) screw holding the drive all these days and I did switch it with a big one but cannot recall if the drive stopped vibrating that time. Anyway, I've kept the hard drive on top of the case since yesterday and it hasn't vibrated or made any sound. Celsius also remains below 40. I will keep the drive like this for a week

Thanks for the time and input to all
Was the drive firmly attached with the other 3 screws? Based on the way you described the sound and vibration and the way I'm imagining it, I don't think one loose screw could've been the cause.

I think I'd put it all back together again and keep monitoring. See what the temp does when it's installed normally with typical air flow (use CrystalDisk graphs). Remember that with the case opened the case fans are really only doing local cooling rather than forcing/inducing air flow throughout the case. Leave it in a position where you can easily open it in order to check things out (for source of noise/vibration). An IR temp gun is useful for things like this (if you've got access to one).
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20 Oct 2012   #26
Dave76

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Glad to see your hard drive passed the test.

With the HDD out of the case, did you notice any vibration or noise from the case?
As mentioned previously, it might be a fan going bad.
Did all vibrations and noise stop when the HDD was removed?
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20 Oct 2012   #27
koolkat77

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by F5ing View Post
Was the drive firmly attached with the other 3 screws? Based on the way you described the sound and vibration and the way I'm imagining it, I don't think one loose screw could've been the cause.

I think I'd put it all back together again and keep monitoring. See what the temp does when it's installed normally with typical air flow (use CrystalDisk graphs). Remember that with the case opened the case fans are really only doing local cooling rather than forcing/inducing air flow throughout the case. Leave it in a position where you can easily open it in order to check things out (for source of noise/vibration). An IR temp gun is useful for things like this (if you've got access to one).
Hello F5ing,
I usually use 2 screws, this casing isn't that good so . It's a bit congested and I was thinking of getting a new casing but have not yet collected enough $$ for it. Currently I'm monitoring the disk outside the case, will keep it like this for 4 days more. I will do what you said in the coming days.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Glad to see your hard drive passed the test.

With the HDD out of the case, did you notice any vibration or noise from the case?
As mentioned previously, it might be a fan going bad.
Did all vibrations and noise stop when the HDD was removed?
Hi Dave,
There's no sound/vibration ever since I kept the HDD on top of the case. Not from the inside of the case also.

Will observe and update you'll in due course
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23 Oct 2012   #28
koolkat77

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Updates..

So I went ahead and spent some collected $$ on a new casing. It's a normal one, but definitely bigger than the previous and the pc is at least worth looking at now. (giggles) I actually got it yesterday but there was a problem with the casings earthing (everything would work but the monitor wouldn't power up/displayed nothing if the pc was powered on) so returned it and they had to get remove stuffs out. They asked if I wanted to wait so that they find another but I said them to remove the stuff that's creating the earthing problem (a$$holes couldn't give me something better on one go + we're having a long week religious holiday here in bangladesh.) How can I stay without my computer for so long!!!

Surprising to note:
Yesterday when my brother got it back home I was able to find out the actual source of the grinding/vibrations. It was my PSU. (The new one I got a few months back). I knew there was a problem with the PSU I got recently but my brother wouldn't listen. It used to make this very soft cricket (insect) noise but nothing serious happened to my PC while using and my bro told me to avoid the sound and that its normal etc.. I was told that the HDD might have been heating up because the PSU might not be giving enough power or something.. (not sure)

So I'm keeping this thread open for a few more days.. or maybe weeks if I ever hear the noise. (fingers crossed)

Thank you all for the time and input once again
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23 Oct 2012   #29
Arc

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Good news
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23 Oct 2012   #30
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

After you whack your brother, get a good quality PSU.
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