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Windows 7: Problems after running SeaTools

18 Oct 2012   #1

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Problems after running SeaTools

Hi all

This started after I ran SeaTools for Windows, Long generic test..which passed but I'm having few issues ever since:
  1. I usually turn off my computer before going to bed, but the morning after I took the test when I powered up my computer it started with this hearable vibration. I could even feel it when I touched the front part of the computer case. The vibration & sound lessened gradually & I thought I was okay until I opened speccy & saw that the Celsius of the hard drive was at 50 within 45 mins of use.
  2. This happened once more that day & I consulted with Arc. He suggested me to run disk check on the hard drive by re-seating & cleaning the cables etc which I did with no problems found. I even unscrewed, cleaned the hard drive & switched locations. Made sure I screwed it firm & tight.
  3. There were no vibration/sound/celsius problem until yesterday afternoon when I went home for lunch. I booted normally & there it was vibrating again.

So I ran disk check again, ran puran defrag, ran the default windows defrag. Downloaded & installed crystal disk info. Attached some snips but this is of when I just booted up. The numbers changed gradually after use and the celsius went to 50 later.

Anyway, the pc booted up normally today morning. But appreciate any advice & opinions on this problem. I have a feeling this stuff is gonna reoccur every few days but have no idea why a sea tools test would do this to a hard disk. Everything was fine before I did the test.

Thanks for reading

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18 Oct 2012   #2

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Curious, what prompted you to run the Seatools tests to begin with? Were you having any specific issues?

I would not expect that Seatools (or any HDD manufacturer's diagnostics app for that matter) to cause any problems unless there was something going wrong to begin with. Those tests really stress the drive. If the drive's health is marginal to begin with then the testing (making that drive work hard) may reveal issues you hadn't noticed before.

Keep CrystalDisk running. Allow it to autostart at boot. It records SMART attributes over time and you'll be able to use it to see problems before SMART itself ever trips (use the graph functions to see).

50C is rather high, but is probably the upper limit of "normal" operating temperature, not beyond the limit. However, if the drive typically runs quite a few degrees lower than that (say 40C), then it could be indicative of motor/bearing/platter balance problems.

Please make sure you've got your backups koolkat.
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18 Oct 2012   #3

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Hi F5ing and thanks for the reply.

I actually just wanted to see how this “sea tools” thing works but for one more reason that’s I reinstall windows very often. I read some posts over time on the internet that reinstalling windows very often degrades the life of the hard disk, and arguments that it doesn’t blabla but anyway. I know the tests stress the drive.. :-(

I will do the auto start at boot when I get home today. The hard drive Celsius at boot is around 35 and goes to 39/40 after a while of use and stays at that.

BTW, this is a 2 month old hard disk there’s a thread I created about here.. New HDD, are the temps too high?

Thanks again :-)
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18 Oct 2012   #4

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Are you sure its the Hard drive Making the Vibration Noise? Whats the PSU on that system? Have you tried different Cables, connectors?
Try disconnecting the DVD ROM drive and test again.
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18 Oct 2012   #5

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Hi, first I wouldn't reinstall Windows 7 "just because" unless there is a serious file corruption or something like that.

Second F5ing is correct a HDD diagnostic tool does no harm to a drive but does no stress. It scans each sector for errors and can move bad ones to good ones if needed. That keeps it fairly active during the long generic.

Did Seatools report SMART had been tripped or any errors it repaired or can't repair?

That 50C temp is not a good thing though.


Can you tell if the vibration is a rotational one or the read/write heads traveling and start/stopping?

F5ing has a good idea, back it all up now, today.

Oh, as for an OS reinstallation many times, it should not cause any harm to a spinner drive. With a SSD it may cause some degradation though.
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18 Oct 2012   #6

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by koolkat77 View Post
I actually just wanted to see how this “sea tools” thing works but for one more reason that’s I reinstall windows very often. I read some posts over time on the internet that reinstalling windows very often degrades the life of the hard disk, and arguments that it doesn’t blabla but anyway. I know the tests stress the drive.. :-(
For what it's worth, I wouldn't worry about wear and tear due to reinstalls. Not really different than any other reads/writes. I'd be more concerned with high heat, physical damage (knocking, bumping, dropping) and clean power.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by koolkat77 View Post
I will do the auto start at boot when I get home today. The hard drive Celsius at boot is around 35 and goes to 39/40 after a while of use and stays at that.
That's cool. I'd worry about continuously >50C. CrystalDisk's graph feature will let you know long term temps. Spinning, but at idle, at 50 is not really good either; it'll go above that temp if you start doing a lot of reading/writing with it.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by koolkat77 View Post
Thanks again :-)
You're very welcome, of course!

But I do wonder where that vibration was coming from...
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18 Oct 2012   #7

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
Are you sure its the Hard drive Making the Vibration Noise? Whats the PSU on that system? Have you tried different Cables, connectors?
Try disconnecting the DVD ROM drive and test again.
Hi Ant,

Yes I'm sure it's the hard drive making the vibration noise. I'm not sure of the PSU brand etc but I got a new one maybe 2.5 months back when a short circuit failed the older one. I think it's a 450 or 500W one though (my brother says so as he purchased it). I also got a new DVD/CD drive few months back, it does not make any sound. The older DVD ROM one did and I had to push a pin in the small hole to open the tray. LOL

But I'll try disconnecting the DVD ROM too.
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18 Oct 2012   #8

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Hi, first I wouldn't reinstall Windows 7 "just because" unless there is a serious file corruption or something like that.

Second F5ing is correct a HDD diagnostic tool does no harm to a drive but does no stress. It scans each sector for errors and can move bad ones to good ones if needed. That keeps it fairly active during the long generic.

Did Seatools report SMART had been tripped or any errors it repaired or can't repair?

That 50C temp is not a good thing though.


Can you tell if the vibration is a rotational one or the read/write heads traveling and start/stopping?

F5ing has a good idea, back it all up now, today.

Oh, as for an OS reinstallation many times, it should not cause any harm to a spinner drive. With a SSD it may cause some degradation though.
Nice reply Gary, I will keep my mouth shut about the reinstallation part I did not check the smart thing, Im not sure how to but will try it when Im home and post back.

To me the vibration sound sounds like its rotational. It does not start/stop. Its continuous, if that I get you right. It goes like GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR and I can feel it when I touch the case or go near. The sound fades away in next 15/20 minutes and I see the celsius going towards 50C.
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18 Oct 2012   #9

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Wow. I missed a few posts there.
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18 Oct 2012   #10

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Could it be a fan making the noise?

When you ran Seatools you should see something like "SMART is NOT tripped". CrystalDisk shows you SMART status as well. The pics in your first post indicate SMART is not tripped, the drive is healthy. That's where CrystalDisk's graphs come in handy; it'll show potential issues before SMART gets tripped.
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