| Windows 7: Using a 6pin and half of a 4pin for 8pin CPU power on new mobo? |
28 Dec 2012
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit Long Island, New York |
Using a 6pin and half of a 4pin for 8pin CPU power on new mobo? I'm in the middle of assembling a new computer (first one) and I just realized that my current PSU does not have an 8-pin ATX power connector for the CPU on the motherboard. Is it safe to use a 6-pin and half of a 4-pin connector to power the CPU? I've attached a picture and as you can see half of the 4-pin is just hanging off the end. | My System Specs |
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29 Dec 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 In The Woods |
Well, first you get the annoying lecture  : If you are building a new system the power supply is the LAST thing you want to skimp on. You should buy a new, modern PS for the system.
Now that's out of the way.
There is nothing technically wrong with how you want to do it. The power supply delivers 12v to each yellow wire regardless of where they actually go. So if the MB needs four 12v wires (and 4 black grounds) to run you can accomplished that your way.
There could be a problem - resulting in odd behaviors and system problems - if the 12v leads came from different 12v rails on a multi-rail power supply. This could result in "dirty power", where the amperage (as opposed to voltage) is not the same across all 4 wires at the same time. This could even happen in a single rail system, depending on the internal circuitry of the PS and where those two separate wire bundles connect.
The only thing that concerns me from your picture is that 3 of the yellow wires are in the back row and that one (plus the extra one hanging off) is in the front row. This seems to be a problem with polarity and I am surprised the system runs like that. I think that all 4 yellow wires should be in all the rear slots. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built - Jan 2013 OS Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 CPU i7-3820 Motherboard Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 3305 Memory GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 310.90 Sound Card On board Realtek ALC898 Monitor(s) Displays Acer S271HL Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS KC-0405 Mouse Intellimouse 5-button PSU Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic) Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives #1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
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29 Dec 2012
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29 Dec 2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1 Kentucky |
The 4+4/8 pin EPU is DIFFERENT from say a PCI-e type connector for example. The EPU should have 4-12v wires and 4 ground wires and the PCI-e only uses 3 and 3. Also to be noted, an 8-pin PCI-e doesn't use 4 and 4 either, it uses 3-12v wires and 5 ground wires. Either use 4+4/8 pin EPU cables/extensions for the sake of your CPU.
I just reread your first post and noticed your PSU doesn't seem to have a 4+4 or 8 pin EPU, is that correct? If it doesn't, buy a PSU that does. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built OS Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1 CPU Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 Memory Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz Graphics Card Intel HD4000 Sound Card Onboard Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell S2309W Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard Mouse Logitech MX 500 Wired PSU Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular Case Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower Cooling Intel Liquid Cooler Hard Drives Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
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29 Dec 2012
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit NC |
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29 Dec 2012
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#6 | | Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 Danbury, CT |

Quote: Originally Posted by XGamer95 I'm in the middle of assembling a new computer (first one) and I just realized that my current PSU does not have an 8-pin ATX power connector for the CPU on the motherboard. Is it safe to use a 6-pin and half of a 4-pin connector to power the CPU? I've attached a picture and as you can see half of the 4-pin is just hanging off the end. What's your PSU? The one listed in your specs is a 650W Coolermaster GX. CM claims that it has a 4+4 pin ATX +12V connector.
I'm not up for checking the pinouts to see whether what you're attempting is sane or not. Connecting +12 to ground might have unfortunate consequences. (Got a fire extinguisher handy?)
The normal approach would be to use a 4 pin +12V connector, if that's all you have. (Some of the motherboards I've used in the past couple of years came with caps on half the 8 pin socket.) It might not provide all the current that you'd need for a high powered (125W) CPU. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number homegrown OS Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 CPU Intel Core I7-3930k Motherboard Asus P9X79 Pro Memory 16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133 Graphics Card eVGA GTX680 Sound Card Creative X-Fi Titanium Monitor(s) Displays As PA246Q Screen Resolution 1920 X 1200 Keyboard cheap Logitech USB Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (old optical) USB PSU PCP&C Silencer 750 Crossfire Case Silverstone FT02 Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives Corsair Force GT, 120 GB
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29 Dec 2012
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64/ linux in VM NW Florida |
As bobkn said, your power supply should come with a 4+4 pin connector. They are split because some boards only use a 4 pin and some use an 8 pin. By being split int 2 4 pins, they can be used on either. This is what they look like and you should have one. You will also notice they have a clip on each one. Feel where they plug in. One side will have a ridge on it. That is where the clip goes, just so they are oriented correctly. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built- Always under construction OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64/ linux in VM CPU Intel i7-3770K Motherboard Asus Maximus V Extreme Z77 Memory 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3-2400 (2X4GB) Graphics Card EVGA GTX 670 SC 4GB Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays Asus 24" LCD Screen Resolution 1920X1080 Keyboard Logitech G510 Mouse Logitech G500 PSU CORSAIR AX850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Custom Water Cooling Hard Drives Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB, Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB, Samsung 830 256GB, Samsung HD103SJ 1TB . External HD- Black X dock esata 1TB Samsung Spinpoint, Rosewill USB 3.0 dock 1TB Samsung Spinpoint Internet Speed carrier pigeon speed Antivirus MSE/MBAM Browser ie8 Other Info 2nd Rig,Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64, i7-2600K, Asrock P67 Extreme 4, 8GB DDR3-2133, HAF XM case, Noctua NH-D14, Gigabyte HD6950 OC 1GB, 2 X Crucial M4 128GB, Asus 24" LED.
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30 Dec 2012
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit Long Island, New York |
I appreciated all of the responses.
Earlier today I ordered Newegg.com - Rosewill 9.5" EPS 8-Pin Male to ATX 4-Pin Female Cable with Cable Sleeve Model RCA-RU9.5-P8M-P4F to try and resolve this issue. Will that work?
EDIT: Also, you'll see in my response that I keep saying the two 4 pin connector combined don't form the right connector for the 8 pin female for the CPU on the motherboard so I've attached a couple pictures of my two 4 pins held next to each other so you can see what I mean.
My listed specs are for my current computer until I finish this new build. The new build contains: Newegg.com - Thermaltake Armor A90 Gaming Mid-Tower Chassis With Cable Management Water Cooling SSD Support And Tool-Less Installation VL90001W2Z Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAD3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply Newegg.com - BIOSTAR TZ77B LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K Newegg.com - ADATA XPG Gaming Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model AX3U1600GC4G9-2G Newegg.com - Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F90GB3-BK 2.5" 90GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Newegg.com - LG Black 10X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal 12X Internal Blu-ray Drive 3D Playback & M-DISC Support Model UH12LS29 LightScribe Support - Blu-Ray Drives Newegg.com - Palit NE5X460SF1102 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Sonic 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card Newegg.com - Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card 
Quote: Originally Posted by TVeblen Well, first you get the annoying lecture  : If you are building a new system the power supply is the LAST thing you want to skimp on. You should buy a new, modern PS for the system.
Now that's out of the way.
There is nothing technically wrong with how you want to do it. The power supply delivers 12v to each yellow wire regardless of where they actually go. So if the MB needs four 12v wires (and 4 black grounds) to run you can accomplished that your way.
There could be a problem - resulting in odd behaviors and system problems - if the 12v leads came from different 12v rails on a multi-rail power supply. This could result in "dirty power", where the amperage (as opposed to voltage) is not the same across all 4 wires at the same time. This could even happen in a single rail system, depending on the internal circuitry of the PS and where those two separate wire bundles connect.
The only thing that concerns me from your picture is that 3 of the yellow wires are in the back row and that one (plus the extra one hanging off) is in the front row. This seems to be a problem with polarity and I am surprised the system runs like that. I think that all 4 yellow wires should be in all the rear slots. Well I hadn't tried running the system as shown in the picture when I posted this. I did try running it with just a 4 pin connector in half of the 8 pin female as I read somewhere this may work but I received a short beep upon boot and no video signal from onboard video or from my GTX 460 so I assumed no POST. All fans and devices were running except for the CPU fan which struck me as odd. For comparisons sake I unplugged the CPU power all together and turned on the system which resulted in immediate shutdown, which, from my understanding, is supposed to happen. 
Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 The 4+4/8 pin EPU is DIFFERENT from say a PCI-e type connector for example. The EPU should have 4-12v wires and 4 ground wires and the PCI-e only uses 3 and 3. Also to be noted, an 8-pin PCI-e doesn't use 4 and 4 either, it uses 3-12v wires and 5 ground wires. Either use 4+4/8 pin EPU cables/extensions for the sake of your CPU.
I just reread your first post and noticed your PSU doesn't seem to have a 4+4 or 8 pin EPU, is that correct? If it doesn't, buy a PSU that does. It has two 4 pin connectors, one of which I used on my old motherboard to power the CPU as it was only 4 pin, but combined they do not create the same plug as needed for the 8 pin CPU power. Though on Newegg ( Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAD3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply) the PSU I have does list a 1 x 4+4-Pin ATX/EPS 12V connector. 
Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn 
Quote: Originally Posted by XGamer95 I'm in the middle of assembling a new computer (first one) and I just realized that my current PSU does not have an 8-pin ATX power connector for the CPU on the motherboard. Is it safe to use a 6-pin and half of a 4-pin connector to power the CPU? I've attached a picture and as you can see half of the 4-pin is just hanging off the end. What's your PSU? The one listed in your specs is a 650W Coolermaster GX. CM claims that it has a 4+4 pin ATX +12V connector.
I'm not up for checking the pinouts to see whether what you're attempting is sane or not. Connecting +12 to ground might have unfortunate consequences. (Got a fire extinguisher handy?)
The normal approach would be to use a 4 pin +12V connector, if that's all you have. (Some of the motherboards I've used in the past couple of years came with caps on half the 8 pin socket.) It might not provide all the current that you'd need for a high powered (125W) CPU. The exact PSU I have is here: Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAD3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply It does say it has 1 x 4+4-Pin ATX/EPS 12V connector but combined they do not form the correct plug for the 8 pin female on the motherboard. I did try with only a single 4 pin but I received a short beep upon boot and no video signal from onboard video or from my GTX 460 so I assumed no POST. All fans and devices were running except for the CPU fan which struck me as odd. 
Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe As bobkn said, your power supply should come with a 4+4 pin connector. They are split because some boards only use a 4 pin and some use an 8 pin. By being split int 2 4 pins, they can be used on either. This is what they look like and you should have one. You will also notice they have a clip on each one. Feel where they plug in. One side will have a ridge on it. That is where the clip goes, just so they are oriented correctly. Attachment 247783 I do have those but combined they do not form the correct connector for the 8 pin female on the motherboard. They are not mirror images of each other as would be required for them to work.
Last edited by XGamer95; 30 Dec 2012 at 01:11 AM..
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30 Dec 2012
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#9 | | Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 In The Woods |
Your converter cable is a good solution and will work to accomplish your task and you could go that route.
But here's the thing: you are converting a legacy power supply to use in a modern system. Yes, it's a new old power supply. Wouldn't it make more sense to take your time and get the right parts?
You should return the CoolerMaster ATX power supply and get the correct ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 power supply that has the 8-pin connector on it.
Here are a couple of nice units that are the same price and wattage: Newegg.com - CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply Newegg.com - SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built - Jan 2013 OS Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1 CPU i7-3820 Motherboard Asus P9X79-PRO - Bios 3305 Memory GSkill F3-14900CL9Q - 16GB Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX660 - Driver 310.90 Sound Card On board Realtek ALC898 Monitor(s) Displays Acer S271HL Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS KC-0405 Mouse Intellimouse 5-button PSU Corsair CMPSU-850TX-V2 - 850 watt (by Seasonic) Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling Standard 3 120mm case fans, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives #1- Samsung 840 Pro Series
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30 Dec 2012
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit Long Island, New York |
I apologize if I haven't been clear, but the power supply I'm using for the new build is the same one from my current computer which I purchased over a year ago so returning it is not an option. The only parts I've just purchased for this new build are the case, mobo, processor, and ram. The rest are from my current computer. I was on a budget so I really can't purchase a new power supply at the moment. As long as the adapter works for now I'm happy. When I have the money I will definitely be purchasing a new one because I dislike my current PSU being non modular. I am still concerned about the stock CPU fan not spinning on boot because it is connected separately to the motherboard and I feel it shouldn't have anything to do with the CPU's power source. Do you think connecting the CPU's power correctly will fix the fan as well? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit CPU Intel Core i5-3570k @ 3.4GHz (3.8 GHz Turbo Boost) Motherboard Biostar TZ77B LGA 1155 Intel Z77 ATX Memory ADATA XPG Gaming Series 8GB DDR3 1600MHz (2x4GB) Graphics Card 1x Palit GTX 460 Sonic 1GB GDDR5 256-bit Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE Monitor(s) Displays 1x LG Flatron W2361V 2ms (GTG) Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech K120 Wired Keyboard Mouse Logitech LX6 Cordless Optical Mouse PSU COOLER MASTER GX Series 650W Case Thermaltake Armor A90 Mid Tower Cooling Stock CPU Heatsink and Fan; 1x Intake 2x Exhaust Fans Hard Drives 1x Corsair Force Series 3 90GB SATA III Internal SSD (OS)
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