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Windows 7: What software to use with SSD clone and for backup too? Many Choices!!

08 Jan 2013   #21

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601)
 
 

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With SyncToy, there are left and right folders. Can one be on one drive and the other folder on a different drive? What is SyncToy's true value? I'm a bit confused.
Yes, folders can be on different drives. What do you mean by "value"? Its an excellent program.
I read the info and help info for SyncToy. Looking at the "Preview a SyncToy Run" didn't show different drives used. It just confused me. Reading the info about SyncToy says that it is a very powerful tool. I didn't mean anything off base by the word "value." Sorry.

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08 Jan 2013   #22

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
Here are the drivers Drivers & Downloads | Dell United States (assuming it's the type you have)
You can also use Analyze System for Updates from there
Thanks!
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08 Jan 2013   #23

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Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64 (Windows 8.1, Linux Mint, Windows XP in VM)
 
 

With SyncToy-When you create folder pairs, it gives a left folder and a right folder, each give a search box to choose whatever folder on whatever drive you want. If in the next screen you choose 'echo' it copies the left folder to the right folder, with changes made to the left folder made to the right folder. If you set it up to a new folder on an external for the right folder and the Left folder for your user files, you will have an exact duplicate of your user folders on your external.

It is basically, whatever you want to copy is the left folder and where you want it copied to is the right folder. With Echo, it copies everything left to right.
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08 Jan 2013   #24

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601)
 
 

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You want to install fresh to ssd?
If I can.

Yes.

I can't get to the stock HD easily with this laptop. I'd have to remove the keyboard, palm rest, etc.

Without disabling the stock HD I can't do the clean install, I believe.

Oops! It is actually 64bit. The specs that you saw was for an old computer that I used to use. I have changed the specs for the laptop that I would like to modify.

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You have an Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit installation DVD?
Got the 64bit installation DVD as well as the 32bit. I am using the 64bit version.
So you have all the stuff needed!
Don't detach old HDD in your case, it's too difficult and not really neccesary. Boot from Windows 7 install dvd and press shift_F10 on first window as shown here Command Prompt at Startup

Now mark the partition that's current active inactive Partition - Mark as Inactive
(you can mark it active if all fails)

Reboot again normally. It should fail because boot partition went inactive. That's just what you want. Boot again form Windows 7 install DVD and install Windows 7 on SSD

Report back when done. Check for windows updates and install them (most likely you have to connect wired instead of wireless). Reboot and check for updates again and again. Now check "device manager" for devices without drivers and post results.
So, this keeps my boot info from going astray. Correct? I'll have to read this very closely before digging in.

I have 3 partitions on my hard drive (see screenshot below): 102 MB, 19.53 GB and 911.88 GB ... OEM, RECOVERY (active) and C: (boot). In whs' "SSD - Install and transfer the Operating System", he says: "In Windows7, you may have the 100MB active boot partition. The easiest way to deal with that is to move the bootmgr to the C: partition using EasyBCD. ..."

I have a 102MB instead of a 100MB partition for some reason that I don't know why. Should I move the bootmgr to the C partition?




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08 Jan 2013   #25

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
With SyncToy-When you create folder pairs, it gives a left folder and a right folder, each give a search box to choose whatever folder on whatever drive you want. If in the next screen you choose 'echo' it copies the left folder to the right folder, with changes made to the left folder made to the right folder. If you set it up to a new folder on an external for the right folder and the Left folder for your user files, you will have an exact duplicate of your user folders on your external.

It is basically, whatever you want to copy is the left folder and where you want it copied to is the right folder. With Echo, it copies everything left to right.
That is a very neat tool! Thanks!
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08 Jan 2013   #26

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 and ASUS ExpressGate
 
 

Greetings!

Unfortunately the older the notebooks or laptops are the more difficult it seems to try to get to the hard drive that you want to replace and or modify for one reason or another... I like to keep things as simple as possible. When I was working in my community's community college's computer lab I learned a lot, as well, but I took with me the fact that it is never better than to do a fresh windows installation regardless of version or flavor. A copy IS just that... a COPY! If you want to use "Ghosting" or "Mirroring" programs by all means utilize them, some swear by them; I choose not to. I have a working hard drive with all my goodies and backups that I use and I have an external offline drive with a a clone backup that I use. I use NinjaCopier for my main bulk copying instead of Windows copy command and I use PowerArchiver 13 for my main ZIPping utility, and ImgBurn (free) for my main DVD/Blue Ray burning and ISO creation utility and Virtual Clone Drive for mounting my ISOs once I create them with ImgBurn.

Here is a few thoughts of my own from someone who has gotten that "I have lost everything and have to download and find it all again" T-Shirt as well...

First and foremost did you happen to check the reviews on your new Samsung SSD? Keeping in mind that everything has a failure rating and it will fail ... it is inevitable, does not matter if it is solid state or not. I also utilize a nice little program called CPU-Z Validator...here is my computer's specs after downloading and running CPU-Z...

Example, my mother bought an HP from a well known shopping center and I did not check the specifications before she decided to purchase herself an updated notebook. While Toshiba makes some great products (IMHAHO [in my honest and humble opinion]); they make lousy hard drives... within 14 months of purchasing the computer TWO (the original and a warranty replacement) hard drives failed...

If your original hard drive is still is okay and it works once its ran through a good diagnostics program like Steve Gibson's SpinRite6 it is a tiny program but it works and works well... Do not know how well it will work on SSD drives, mind you. I have always had the best of luck with Seagate hard drives... I own three GoFlex hard drives (2 1.5TB externals and the 500GB WiFi hard drive) and my ASUS notebook houses two internal Seagate hard drives (a 250GB C: drive and a 500GB for my D: drive). I never store any user files on my drive C: (or main drive where the Windows directory and Programs or Programs (x86) directories reside). I store all of my documents, music, pictures, etc. on another drive (my case my notebook's internal drive D)... This is for two reasons, it keeps the wear and tear of the main drive down to a minimal so that the failure rate is not achieved too quickly and the second is so that my user files are not lost.

For me I have setup and used ISO images for computer restorations and there is an ample difference between reinstalling Windows from scratch or reinstalling Windows from an ISO image. Something always seems to go wrong a lot sooner if I remount a drive with an ISO image of a previous Windows install versus installation of a Fresh copy of Windows.

Also, for maintaining my computers I (keeping in mind you will have some say do not do this or touch this at all) swear by three other utilities:

AVG (this anti-virus seems to be the fastest I have found for myself).
Auslogics' Disk Defrag PRO and Auslogics' BoostSpeed. Disk Defrag is the only defragmentation program that I know that can defrag the hidden Windows "string" ($) files, page file and hyber file upon restart of your computer. Bear in mind that a defrag program is not for use with SSD drives as of yet. Although I think Auslogics is working on something though... Good Luck.

Hope this gives you more food for thought....

Cheers!
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08 Jan 2013   #27

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601)
 
 

Thank you very much, Spirit Wolfe, for your advice and tips. I will keep them in mind. I am already using some of those programs and I will check out the other ones.

My Dell laptop is a 2012 model that I have had for 7 months. It is an OK machine, but I like the idea of things being faster by using an SSD. I'm 61 now and having things to get going a little faster gives me a bit of relief. Time is a little more precious as we age, it seems. I do wish that this laptop was like your Asus and have two hard drives.

I read about the early Samsung 840 Pro SSD problems. These were mainly firmware related. Samsung issued an update on 12-13-12 that is supposed to fix it. I haven't read about any tests since this firmware update. It is a gamble, but it does have a 5 year warranty.

I have the same thoughts about having the programs, OS, etc on one drive and my documents, pics, music, etc on another. This is what I would like to do with this laptop.

As you and the others have suggested, a clean install would be the way to go. I do not know if I can pull it off. Kaktussoft's installation suggestion is a bit elevated for me, but maybe I can handle it. I've got to really review the material beforehand.
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09 Jan 2013   #28

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

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As you and the others have suggested, a clean install would be the way to go. I do not know if I can pull it off. Kaktussoft's installation suggestion is a bit elevated for me, but maybe I can handle it. I've got to really review the material beforehand.
My solution isn't difficult at all. Just mark the current ACTIVE boot partition INACTIVE and install normally.
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09 Jan 2013   #29

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LeftC View Post

As you and the others have suggested, a clean install would be the way to go. I do not know if I can pull it off. Kaktussoft's installation suggestion is a bit elevated for me, but maybe I can handle it. I've got to really review the material beforehand.
My solution isn't difficult at all. Just mark the current ACTIVE boot partition INACTIVE and install normally.
Would you take a look at post #24 where I show my 3 partitions. Am I still OK to follow your directions? Should I do what whs suggests in his tutorial or just leave the bootmgr alone?
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09 Jan 2013   #30

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102MB partition: It's a special OEM partition. If you have HP computer it's used for driver installations and special software. Not a thing to clone to SSD.

Partition RECOVERY is for "reset to factory" settings. All data will be lost and it looks like you just bought the computer. So start the recovery..... but I don't think you want to. You will lose everything!

Partition RECOVERY is ACTIVE now (see your screenshot). It is actually the BOOT partition with bootmenu. It only has 1 boot entry so it uses that entry automatically. That boot entry instructs bootmanager to start from partition called OS.

When you clean install to SSD....
  • New Windows 7 will be installed to SSD
  • Boot partition will get an extra boot option (so you can select boot from ssd)
So it will add an extra boot option in RECOVERY partition's boot menu. That's not what you want!! To solve it mark RECOVERY as inactive (so it doesn't know where to boot from) and install to SSD as described before.

If SSD is totally clean (no partitions at all) the installation will make a 100MB "system reserved" partition with bootmenu automatically. Otherwise it adjusts the bootmenu on active partition. If no active partitions exists but there are partitions it marks the partition you install Windows 7 to as ACTIVE and makes the necessary boot files.

You can always mark a partition as ACTIVE afterwards (only primary partitions) (only 1 partition on physical disk can be ACTIVE) and do a "startup repair". This will recreate the needed boot files and recreate the bootmenu. Of course you will lose all things you customized to boot menu (for example boot to linux, boot to winxp)

System Reserved Partition - Delete

You can also move the bootmenu to another partition
Bootmgr - Move to C:\ with EasyBCD
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