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Windows 7: Problem with eSATA powered USB


19 Jan 2013   #1

multiple computers and different OS'
 
 
Problem with eSATA powered USB

Hello. i have AsRock M3A770DE motherboard
it has 6 USB ports at back, 2 of them being eSATA powered.
i bought 3tb external hdd for fraps recordings, it is USB3.0, but this motherboard has no USB3.0 so i thought i will plug it into eSATA powered USB, but it's not showing up!

> YES HDD works fine using any other USB2.0 port
> YES eSATA USB ports work fine when i plug mouse, keyboard ..etc into it
> I have checked BIOS that its not in RAID mode and it isn't
> i checked asrock site for possible drivers, found nothing. well i found xFast USB which speeds up USB2.0 ports a little, but still not enought, it gets my fraps recording down to like 20-25fps and its not playable, while recording to internal hdd i get easy 30fps.

i can't think of anything else. can anyone help please?
please do not suggest me to take apart that 3tb and use as internal or to record on internal, i bought external for a reason, it has to remain external and i have NO room on any internal HDDs to record hundreds of GBs of videos.

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19 Jan 2013   #2

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

If I understand your question, you want your USB 2.0 to be faster like a USB 3.0.
Thats not going to happen. If your motherboard doesn't have any 3.0 USB ports you don't get USB 3.0 speed.
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19 Jan 2013   #3

Win7 Enterprise, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz)
 
 

I think you can buy PCI add in cards that have USB 3.0 ports on them.
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19 Jan 2013   #4

multiple computers and different OS'
 
 

no ...

3TB HardDrive is USB3.0 but my motherboard does not have USB3.0, i have eSATA powered USB ports, which are even faster than USB3.0.

what i want to do, is plug my USB3.0 device into eSATA powered USB port, but it doesn't work.
i tried inserting USB stick into one of those eSATA powered USB ports and it works (4gb stick), but hdd doesn't work...
im sure it is issue with windows, since my 3TB hdd works just fine and so does the eSATA USB port.


EDIT:
as about PCI card, i would like one, but can't find, they are all PCI-E, but both of my PCI-E slots are taken by graphic cards.

EDIT:
i have googled a lot, i see LOT of people having issues with eSATA HDDs under Windows 7, however mine is not just eSATA , it is eSATA/USB port.
in motherboard's manual it is described as "Powered eSATA/USB"

UPDATE:
I have just checked BIOS again, i have "SATA connection type" set to IDE
options are:
IDE
RAID
AHCI

so i tried AHCI, but it won't boot at all, i get instant BSOD saying that there might be error with harddrive, no error code at all. just generally saying that remove any newly installed harddrives.
so obviously AHCI doesn't work. im quite sure RAID won't help me, because as far as i know it is for merging HDDs or something, never used it tho.

its so frustrating ive been messing with this for hours and can't find any solution to this at all.
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19 Jan 2013   #5

multiple computers and different OS'
 
 

SOLVED: (thus the new post)

this was so frustrating but yay on me, i did it!

i blame everything on Windows 7 ... and its all true.
so what i did?
AHCI mode was correct after all, but Windows 7 didnt like it
i had to regedit and disable AHCI thing

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CurrentControlset/Services/msahci
set "start" to 0

reboot into BIOS
enable AHCI
windows now loads
installs the AHCI drivers
reboot

drive didn't show up .. i was about to scream out loud, but i did see it detecting it by name, so i thought i give it last try and swapped my mouse and drive (both using eSATA USB) and voilaaa! it works.
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19 Jan 2013   #6

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I'm glad you got is figured out. It wasn't Windows if I understand you correctly. Your bios had to be set to AHCI and wasn't. You then set your bios to AHCI. Is that correct. The reason I ask is because people all over the world read our post and the exact fix could help many.
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19 Jan 2013   #7

multiple computers and different OS'
 
 

setting BIOS from IDE to AHCI was only one part of problem, as i said once i did that, i instantly got BSOD! without any error code, just general bla bla that remove any newly installed hard drives.

this is where i had to regedit and disable that AHCI thing so it won't start with windows.
I didn't find anything in google at first, because my problem was not just eSATA, mine is actual USB port that is eSATA powered, but as far as Windows 7 goes, Windows 7 still sees it as eSATA/SATA.


I got another problem/question, i don't see any incredible speed boost at all, any ideas?
it used to be like 35mb/s, now it is barely like 40-44mb/s
im sure HDD supports more than that, i mean cmon .. that's SLOW.
i think now problem is that windows doesn't know it is USB3 device and treats it as USB2 ... any way to change this?
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19 Jan 2013   #8

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Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64 (Windows 8.1, Linux Mint, Windows XP and others in VM)
 
 

Every thing on your computer uses drivers to operate. You installed in IDE mode. There were no AHCI drivers installed as you were not using it. When you did the reg edit, you told windows to load AHCI drivers, so now it will run in AHCI mode. It was not Windows fault. Windows didn't install raid drivers either. If you want to use a different mode, you have to load the drivers for it.

Powered esata is a esata port and a USB 2.0 port combined. When you hook up your drive it will run off of the esata or the USB 2.0 bus. If you hook up a USB 3.0 cable to it, it is the same as if you plug a USB cable into a USB 2.0 port. All you're going to get is USB 2.0 speed. If you want to really increase your speed, get a powered esata drive dock or enclosure. The reason the port is powered is because it gets it's power from the USB port. In truth, it was never really intended to be a USB port, but that was the way to make it powered.The USB port will provide enough power to run a 2.5" hard drive, but rarely a 3.5" drive. esata is faster than USB 3.0 in practice. It does not have the overhead of USB.

The answer was here AHCI : Enable in Windows 7 / Vista
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19 Jan 2013   #9

multiple computers and different OS'
 
 

right .. so all this was for nothing?
well i did notice small increase in speed, maybe like 10-20%, but still awfully slow.

anyway, how about getting eSATA to USB3.0 cable/adapter? would that fix my slow speed problem?
like this one:
StarTech StarTech 3 ft SuperSpeed USB 3.0 to eSATA: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

i don't understand, why can't USB3.0 just work in eSATA ...

I would rip it out of the case and use as internal for time being, but case is stupid and there are no screws or anything to open it, im quite sure i will damage the case when opening.
+ other problem is that i only got 1 SATA left and im planning on using it for SSD
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19 Jan 2013   #10

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Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64 (Windows 8.1, Linux Mint, Windows XP and others in VM)
 
 

There are a lot of limiting factors to the speed of data. But in general, if you hook up with a USB cable, you are going to get USB speeds. You need to get an easta cable to run on an esata port. You can use it for an internal drive or an external drive. Get an esata enclosure and put your hard drive in it and you will get esata speeds. You can also get esata to sata cables, hook it to the rear esata port in the rear and the sata connection on your internal hard drive. You will always be limited to the type cable you use and the enclosure as well as the speed of the hard drive. There are other factors, but those are the main ones. You need a USB 3.0 port and a USB 3.0 cable to get USB 3.0 Speeds. You need an eSATA port and an eSATA enclosure and cable for esata speeds. This is what I use for esata.
Newegg.com - Thermaltake BlacX ST0005U External Hard Drive SATA Enclosure Docking Station 2.5” & 3.5” USB 2.0 & eSATA
You will notice, it comes with a USB 2.0 plug and an eSATA plug, meaning you can use either one but not at the same time. You can also switch hard drives in less than 1 minute. Turn it off, pull the old one out stick the new one in, turn it back on.
If you want to use that port for an internal drive, you can use this for your sata data cable hooked to your rear port.
Newegg.com - BYTECC Model SATA-136EO 36" Serial ATA to e-SATA Cable
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