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Windows 7: Changed PSU,when connected 24pin,no power

29 Jan 2013   #21
Solarstarshines

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

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The Motherboard in question should atleast admit a beep of some sort when it has power
if there was no beep there is something wrong the connections are secure the next step he can try it in another rig

and see if he can get it started if not i would think the PSU doesn't have enough power and he needs to replace it with something that can
OK,if you would just read my previous posts instead of only reading the very last post,you would understand the predicament,and not suggest something that has been tried and testet.

Please understand, there is NOTHING wrong with the psu,the psu works on 2 other computers,it works when tested with multimeter. The psu in question does however NOT work with the gigabyte mainboard,which is why i am confused,as it should work fine unless mainboard is fried.

I can get psu fans and everything to spin if i short pin9 and a groundwire,but as soon as 4pin 12v atx and 24pin power is connected to mainboard nothing happens,not a single beep or anything
If you do not know if the mainboard is fried, I cannot understand why won't you test another PSU on the motherboard, NOT the PSU, test the motherboard with another PSU. I don't get why that is so hard to understand.

Anyway I still stand by what I told you before your MB might be underpowered by that Unit just because it came on with others doesn't mean it still is underpowering the one you are using

I have had this happen to me when i couldn't get my unit on with a 450 psu and running a 1 gb 5670 even though i met the requirments it was still under powered

I went and bought a 600w coolermaster and it came on like christmas none of us were trying to give you redundent answers but just because it says 500 watt doesn't mean it will put it out


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29 Jan 2013   #22
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

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I have found that some power supplies just don't work with some motherboards. Good PSU.....good motherboard........but they just won't work together. It happens, and I wouldn't try to make it work, just put another psu on that motherboard and make sure you make a mental note about them not working together.
Really? That sounds kinda strange. This psu provides ALL the designed power to the correct connectors,so that makes no sense it shouldnt work, that is like saying it is the will of god,which i refuse to believe :-).. Anything has an explanation, you just have to look hard enough.

And by your logic,there is no guarentee a new psu would work anyhow,which is what standards are for,to make sure stuff fit together
I have personally seen a new PSU NOT work in a PC that was working previously, and that same PSU swapped out and installed in another computer and work flawlessly. In fact, the PSU I am referring to did not work in a PC that my friend was working on, and we tried it in mine and it worked, so I bought it. Worked in my PC for about 4 years, until I sold it, and it is still working just fine.

PC parts such as RAM, graphics cards, PSU's all have the chance of not working in one motherboard, but working just fine in another one. That is one of the first things I learned about PC hardware.......they can be temperamental. I'm not saying there isn't a combination of something slightly wrong with the PSU AND the motherboard, like a pin not being seated just right, etc.....but I'm saying sometimes crap just don't work with other crap. God has nothing to do with it, it's just part of mass producing components and human error.....and a little bad luck lol.

I really hope you track down the issue because that can be rewarding, I know..........but I would either replace that PSU or use it in one of the systems that you know it works in.
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29 Jan 2013   #23
Tsunamijhoe

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit
 
 

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OK,if you would just read my previous posts instead of only reading the very last post,you would understand the predicament,and not suggest something that has been tried and testet.

Please understand, there is NOTHING wrong with the psu,the psu works on 2 other computers,it works when tested with multimeter. The psu in question does however NOT work with the gigabyte mainboard,which is why i am confused,as it should work fine unless mainboard is fried.

I can get psu fans and everything to spin if i short pin9 and a groundwire,but as soon as 4pin 12v atx and 24pin power is connected to mainboard nothing happens,not a single beep or anything
If you do not know if the mainboard is fried, I cannot understand why won't you test another PSU on the motherboard, NOT the PSU, test the motherboard with another PSU. I don't get why that is so hard to understand.

Anyway I still stand by what I told you before your MB might be underpowered by that Unit just because it came on with others doesn't mean it still is underpowering the one you are using

I have had this happen to me when i couldn't get my unit on with a 450 psu and running a 1 gb 5670 even though i met the requirments it was still under powered

I went and bought a 600w coolermaster and it came on like christmas none of us were trying to give you redundent answers but just becaus eit says 500 watt doesn't mean it will put it out
Well, the antec 500w i had on the mb before worked fine,and this 500w northq psu worked fine on the asus board,a switcharoo later,and the northq wont power the board,a different 500w psu powered moments before? Also,if it dont give full output,that should only pertain to loads,if it delivers the volts and amps needed for the mainboard to start (12v on the atx 12v,5v on the 5v wires and so on), there should be lights and stuff. Also, why can i get it to boot and light up fine if i short pin 9 and a ground pin?
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29 Jan 2013   #24
Tsunamijhoe

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit
 
 

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I have found that some power supplies just don't work with some motherboards. Good PSU.....good motherboard........but they just won't work together. It happens, and I wouldn't try to make it work, just put another psu on that motherboard and make sure you make a mental note about them not working together.
Really? That sounds kinda strange. This psu provides ALL the designed power to the correct connectors,so that makes no sense it shouldnt work, that is like saying it is the will of god,which i refuse to believe :-).. Anything has an explanation, you just have to look hard enough.

And by your logic,there is no guarentee a new psu would work anyhow,which is what standards are for,to make sure stuff fit together
I have personally seen a new PSU NOT work in a PC that was working previously, and that same PSU swapped out and installed in another computer and work flawlessly. In fact, the PSU I am referring to did not work in a PC that my friend was working on, and we tried it in mine and it worked, so I bought it. Worked in my PC for about 4 years, until I sold it, and it is still working just fine.

PC parts such as RAM, graphics cards, PSU's all have the chance of not working in one motherboard, but working just fine in another one. That is one of the first things I learned about PC hardware.......they can be temperamental. I'm not saying there isn't a combination of something slightly wrong with the PSU AND the motherboard, like a pin not being seated just right, etc.....but I'm saying sometimes crap just don't work with other crap. God has nothing to do with it, it's just part of mass producing components and human error.....and a little bad luck lol.

I really hope you track down the issue because that can be rewarding, I know..........but I would either replace that PSU or use it in one of the systems that you know it works in.
Hehe,well i know crap dont always work well together, but in this case where all the parameters are met, it makes absolutly no sense why it shouldnt just fire up.

Oh,and the reason i exchanged it was because i needed the antec psu elsewhere,as it had 2x4pin ATX 12v,which i needed for yet another mainboard :-), yes i know, alot of different hardware to keep track of. So i cant really put this sucker into any other system,as i would then be short 1x4pin 12v atx somewhere else :-D

But i guess all my switcharoos to save a few bucks will end up costing me a new psu, or a new mainboard if the switcharoo dont work,which is a whole other story :-D
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29 Jan 2013   #25
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

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Really? That sounds kinda strange. This psu provides ALL the designed power to the correct connectors,so that makes no sense it shouldnt work, that is like saying it is the will of god,which i refuse to believe :-).. Anything has an explanation, you just have to look hard enough.

And by your logic,there is no guarentee a new psu would work anyhow,which is what standards are for,to make sure stuff fit together
I have personally seen a new PSU NOT work in a PC that was working previously, and that same PSU swapped out and installed in another computer and work flawlessly. In fact, the PSU I am referring to did not work in a PC that my friend was working on, and we tried it in mine and it worked, so I bought it. Worked in my PC for about 4 years, until I sold it, and it is still working just fine.

PC parts such as RAM, graphics cards, PSU's all have the chance of not working in one motherboard, but working just fine in another one. That is one of the first things I learned about PC hardware.......they can be temperamental. I'm not saying there isn't a combination of something slightly wrong with the PSU AND the motherboard, like a pin not being seated just right, etc.....but I'm saying sometimes crap just don't work with other crap. God has nothing to do with it, it's just part of mass producing components and human error.....and a little bad luck lol.

I really hope you track down the issue because that can be rewarding, I know..........but I would either replace that PSU or use it in one of the systems that you know it works in.
Hehe,well i know crap dont always work well together, but in this case where all the parameters are met, it makes absolutly no sense why it shouldnt just fire up
That's what makes it so frustrating huh? It didn't make any sense why the PSU didn't work in one system, but worked fine when installed in mine. We just agreed that it was odd and went on about our business. He ordered another power supply(not the same kind) and it worked perfectly in the system he was upgrading.

I'm not sure if you have tried this, and I apologize if you have, but if you unplug the power supply from the wall and everything, can you physically see if the pins inside the connector are free of debris and are seated in roughly the same place? Also, was the 4 pin connector a pain in the ass to plug in? I have seen some 4 or 8 pin aux power connectors not match up with the connector on the board. Some of the "D" shaped individual connectors were in the wrong place........I don't know if you could even plug that in, but I've seen some pretty poorly made connectors before where the molding process was messed up and it made it through Quality Control and all the way to the customer. Just thinking out loud.

Kelly
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29 Jan 2013   #26
Tsunamijhoe

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tsunamijhoe View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post

I have personally seen a new PSU NOT work in a PC that was working previously, and that same PSU swapped out and installed in another computer and work flawlessly. In fact, the PSU I am referring to did not work in a PC that my friend was working on, and we tried it in mine and it worked, so I bought it. Worked in my PC for about 4 years, until I sold it, and it is still working just fine.

PC parts such as RAM, graphics cards, PSU's all have the chance of not working in one motherboard, but working just fine in another one. That is one of the first things I learned about PC hardware.......they can be temperamental. I'm not saying there isn't a combination of something slightly wrong with the PSU AND the motherboard, like a pin not being seated just right, etc.....but I'm saying sometimes crap just don't work with other crap. God has nothing to do with it, it's just part of mass producing components and human error.....and a little bad luck lol.

I really hope you track down the issue because that can be rewarding, I know..........but I would either replace that PSU or use it in one of the systems that you know it works in.
Hehe,well i know crap dont always work well together, but in this case where all the parameters are met, it makes absolutly no sense why it shouldnt just fire up
That's what makes it so frustrating huh? It didn't make any sense why the PSU didn't work in one system, but worked fine when installed in mine. We just agreed that it was odd and went on about our business. He ordered another power supply(not the same kind) and it worked perfectly in the system he was upgrading.

I'm not sure if you have tried this, and I apologize if you have, but if you unplug the power supply from the wall and everything, can you physically see if the pins inside the connector are free of debris and are seated in roughly the same place? Also, was the 4 pin connector a pain in the ass to plug in? I have seen some 4 or 8 pin aux power connectors not match up with the connector on the board. Some of the "D" shaped individual connectors were in the wrong place........I don't know if you could even plug that in, but I've seen some pretty poorly made connectors before where the molding process was messed up and it made it through Quality Control and all the way to the customer. Just thinking out loud.

Kelly
Nah,all connectors line up perfectly, they slide right in,and click,except the 24pin,that one is a bit tight,but arent they always? All connectors are also clean and everything,so i am gonna chug this one up to the hardware gods,and just order a corsair Tx650 v2 instead.

Cant be bothered with this anymore, i had hoped though i could save the money,as i hate exchanging stuff that works fine. Gonna save the northq as a backup though minus the gigabyte support :-D
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29 Jan 2013   #27
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

I know it sucks to be stumped by something that should, by all rights, just work. It happens to everybody that works on stuff and is a learning process. You seemed to do everything you could to root out the issue, but like you said, there is a time when you back away and realize you can't be bothered with it anymore. Hope the new PSU gets you all fixed up, and remember which board that PSU won't work in!
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29 Jan 2013   #28
Tsunamijhoe

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
I know it sucks to be stumped by something that should, by all rights, just work. It happens to everybody that works on stuff and is a learning process. You seemed to do everything you could to root out the issue, but like you said, there is a time when you back away and realize you can't be bothered with it anymore. Hope the new PSU gets you all fixed up, and remember which board that PSU won't work in!
Hehe,trust me,i wont forget,spent like 4 hours on this crap,and i guarentee you it will keep me awake tonight.. I am very "anal" about stuff like this,and i hate giving up.

I am still wondering why it worked if i shorted out the connectors while the connector was attached to the mainboard,it makes no sense :-)
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30 Jan 2013   #29
Dwarf

Windows 8.1 Pro RTM x64
 
 

OK. I'm assuming that you've still got this unit connected. Fire your system up as before (by shorting the connectors as described previously). Now try turning your system off using the power button (you might need to hold this in for 4 seconds, depending on the BIOS setting, or it might be instant off). Does your system power down?

If everything works as it should do, but it won't start up with the power button, then with the computer powered off (but the mains still plugged in and turned on so that the PSU is still receiving power), use a digital multimeter to backprobe the +5VSB (Purple wire) to see if there is any voltage there, and if so what its value is. Don't forget to insert the other probe into one of the COM (Black wire) terminals. If you wish, you can carry out this test with the PSU removed, as this terminal should provide an output of 5V so long as the PSU itself is receiving mains power. What voltage reading (if any) do you see?

This line provides power to the motherboard at all times when the PSU is receiving mains power, and its function is to supply various logic circuits on the board that enable the system to power up under certain conditions (should the trigger source be enabled). This includes Wake On Lan. The power switch is also connected to logic circuitry powered by this line (which determines what action (depending on whether the system is powered up or not) and what delay should be applied (if powering down)), and will therefore only be operative if the circuitry itself is receiving power. It should be noted from this that the power switch does not directly bridge the terminals in the power connector.
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30 Jan 2013   #30
Tsunamijhoe

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64bit
 
 

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OK. I'm assuming that you've still got this unit connected. Fire your system up as before (by shorting the connectors as described previously). Now try turning your system off using the power button (you might need to hold this in for 4 seconds, depending on the BIOS setting, or it might be instant off). Does your system power down?

If everything works as it should do, but it won't start up with the power button, then with the computer powered off (but the mains still plugged in and turned on so that the PSU is still receiving power), use a digital multimeter to backprobe the +5VSB (Purple wire) to see if there is any voltage there, and if so what its value is. Don't forget to insert the other probe into one of the COM (Black wire) terminals. If you wish, you can carry out this test with the PSU removed, as this terminal should provide an output of 5V so long as the PSU itself is receiving mains power. What voltage reading (if any) do you see?

This line provides power to the motherboard at all times when the PSU is receiving mains power, and its function is to supply various logic circuits on the board that enable the system to power up under certain conditions (should the trigger source be enabled). This includes Wake On Lan. The power switch is also connected to logic circuitry powered by this line (which determines what action (depending on whether the system is powered up or not) and what delay should be applied (if powering down)), and will therefore only be operative if the circuitry itself is receiving power. It should be noted from this that the power switch does not directly bridge the terminals in the power connector.
Hey Dwarf
OK, the pc could NOT be turned off if bridging the green and a black wire with all header wires connected right,pressing the power switch i could hear something happened,fans spun a little slower,but i cound not get it to power off. Also,there is no signal from the gfx card,is this normal? I mean,if i bridge the green/black to get power to the mainboard,should it boot normally? or enter bios?
Using a multimeter the purple/black gives 4.56v but when it is connected to the mainboard,i can only measure 2,25v on the same wires
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