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Windows 7: Building a new computer, help/info needed!

09 Feb 2013   #91
Wrenches

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Incurablegeek, I wasn't saying that WD drives are bad but I did say that they were popular. What I said was that there was a run of bad drives in recent weeks in the reviews and that now wasn't a good time to buy 'em so I bought the Seagate Constellation.

My old drive is a WD green 500gig and it's 4 years old, still working.


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09 Feb 2013   #92
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

I personally like Seagates and currently have 4 running on different rigs. Since 1999 I've had 2 HDD failures, both were WDs. That does not make them bad at all though. I would stay away from any "green" or other low power ones, some turn themselves off after a period of being idle.

Now, for Two Cables. Your info was correct, I just though that if a guy want to spend $300 for a 1000W PSU, why keep trying to talk him out of it? All the spec in the world wouldn't keep me from doing if I had the money to do so. In other words, and I'm not trying to minimize your knowledge or experience, when someone asks you what time it is, don't tell them how to build a clock.
I apologize for being hard on you.
We can use some good help in the OCing area.
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09 Feb 2013   #93
incurablegeek

Win 7-64
 
 

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What I said was that there was a run of bad drives in recent weeks in the reviews and that now wasn't a good time to buy 'em so I bought the Seagate Constellation.
That's more than likely very true. Nowadays, what's the best varies too much to set any absolutes. From my experience, though, (25 TB in house) WD is bullet proof. In the 90's I only bought IBM, if and only if they were made in Thailand. Those from the eastern Europe factory (which IBM eventually closed) were only useful as frisbies.

I stand with most of you on the PSU. Kind of like Tim Allen "More Power". You would never catch me putting a "bare minimum" in one of my rigs (4). I don't want impotent PSU's going out or frying my motherboard. 650 is as low as I would ever go - and then it would be on a wing and a prayer.

Also, you need to factor in the obvious: The only bigger liars than politicians are power supply manufacturers with the dodgy ratings.

Sorry, then, TC. You are my good friend. But you are wrong.

Oops! Did I say that??
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09 Feb 2013   #94
TwoCables

 

Ok, well I've had enough. Bye, everyone. It was fun.
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10 Feb 2013   #95
incurablegeek

Win 7-64
 
 

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Bye, everyone. It was fun.
Sarcasm noted.
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10 Feb 2013   #96
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by incurablegeek View Post
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Bye, everyone. It was fun.
Sarcasm noted.
I certainly hope it was sarcasm. We need people with Twocable's knowledge here. He is probably right about my rig. I could run 2 of my rigs from this power supply. But, I upgrade and do new builds so often, in the past 5 years I have had probably 2 650W, 2 750W, I have a 750 now and now an 850. I am tired of buying power supplys. So, if it is twice as much as I need, that is exactly what I wanted. But, yes it is overkill. Being OCD has it's price. at any rate, I enjoyed the thread and learned a lot. That's why most of us came here, and most assuredly why the OP came here. He got his money's worth too. I enjoyed the thread and hope Twocables will join in more threads with me.
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10 Feb 2013   #97
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by incurablegeek View Post
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Bye, everyone. It was fun.
Sarcasm noted.
I certainly hope it was sarcasm. We need people with Twocable's knowledge here. He is probably right about my rig. I could run 2 of my rigs from this power supply. But, I upgrade and do new builds so often, in the past 5 years I have had probably 2 650W, 2 750W, I have a 750 now and now an 850. I am tired of buying power supplys. So, if it is twice as much as I need, that is exactly what I wanted. But, yes it is overkill. Being OCD has it's price. at any rate, I enjoyed the thread and learned a lot. That's why most of us came here, and most assuredly why the OP came here. He got his money's worth too. I enjoyed the thread and hope Twocables will join in more threads with me.
Beside the fact that it is overkill, which you are aware of, and I am aware that mine is as well, we did our homework and purchased a power supply capable of handling almost anything we could throw at it, AND one that is very efficient, is fully modular and has very high quality, clean cabling. In my specific case, the Seasonic X750 Gold was on sale and quite a bit cheaper than the X650 model, which is why I went with it. There are so many variables involved in making a purchase that the decision is never cut-and-dried. Sales/Rebates, availability, cosmetics, returning customer, etc........they all have an effect on what PSU you buy, and the wattage is almost a non-issue anymore because of what TwoCables said, the PC is requiring less and less power, and good PSU's are becoming more and more efficient.

I never doubted the mans knowledge, and apparently I took some things the wrong way, but I felt I gave solid recommendations without having to obsess over it and was being told I was wrong.
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10 Feb 2013   #98
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

It's a pity this thread went south a bit cos like the discussion and for what it is worth I think that there is too much emphasis put on efficiency and not enough on the quality of the build.

It's a bit like comparing two medium sized cars - both might be as efficient as each other but there might be vast differences in the quality of the build to the detriment of endurance and longevity.

Same goes for PSU's or anything for that matter as far as I am concerned you get what you pay for.
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10 Feb 2013   #99
incurablegeek

Win 7-64
 
 

Now it's my turn to fess up a bit here too.

Regarding PSU,

1) TwoCables is correct if you wish to build a bare-bones system - and not plan for future expansion or use as a game or serious work computer. To tell the truth, I purchased two Corsair 430 watt PSU's to build two computers to sell on eBay. I was building bare-bones systems and they were adequate for that purpose.

2) Everyone else is right about Bigger is Better, however.
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the Seasonic X750 Gold was on sale
Super good decision. The difference between Gold and Platinum is largely price, especially with an honest manufacturer with honest specs like Seasonic. I have all Seasonic 850's (Ha, mine's bigger than yours. ) and I spent about 100 hours reading PSU reviews and specs.

Although I am not a gamer, I do carry about 10 TB average in each of my computers and enough big screen monitors to light up Times Square. Also, I don't like generating horsepower at high rpm. I don't want my power supplies to be "stressed".

Now about TwoCables. As many of you know, I introduced TC to this group. The only two groups I am seriously active in are SevenForums and Overclock.net where I met TC and have known him for a few years now.

I stand behind my recommendation of TwoCables. In all the time that I have known him, he has never blown smoke or sought to get his ego stroked with braggadocio. His information is always well-presented and well-researched. If he does not know something, he will (rather bluntly I'm afraid) just tell you he does not know.

You members have my word also that I will never knowingly deceive you with information that I know to be invalid. Nor will I ever abandon a friend.

Oh yeh, the two Corsair 430's I purchased were both dead out of the box (but I shall say no more. I think that would be called "Beating a Dead Corsair".)

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Btw ICit2lol, I find your name to be both annoying and frustrating. I keep reading it as ichthyology.
Yeh, I guess that's kind of a weird observation.
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10 Feb 2013   #100
Wrenches

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Funny, I see it as "I see it too lol"

I hope I did good buying the Corsair CX430 but since it's a third generation I figured the issues were fixed. I hope so. It's been about three months so far and seems to be doing good but then, the demands on it are pretty light. So far I think it's just cruisin'.

My system:

Intel i3-2105
Asrock H61M-DGS
2x4gig Corsair Vegeance dual set
1TB Seagate Constellation
Asus DVD-RW

Using onboard sound and in-chip graphics. I guess that's not much demand on the PSU. I have no idea how to compute the wattage.
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