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07 Feb 2013   #41
Victor S

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

You never know what new games will demand. I'm not current at all with the new stuff, so I don't know if this applies.
My I7 build is 3 years old, and I started with single GTS 250. And a Corsair 650w.
Might have been overkill, can't remember my calcs then. I know I never intended to run SLI.
Recently I started playing Borderlands, and wanted PhysX, so I turned i on. Dogged the fps.
My son had a spare GTS 250, so we put that in and dedicated it to PhysX. Plays fine with all effects.
Don't think I could have done it if I had low-balled the PSU on the build.


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07 Feb 2013   #42
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

Go to Newegg, look at the higher end Corsair and SeaSonic power supplies and you will see the quality that comes with them. Better yet, buy one, open it up and look at one. Look at the cabling, look at the features........that is why they are SOME of the best made. Also, SeaSonic makes power supplies for several companies, not just the high end Corsair units. I have personally bought a high end Seasonic power supply and when I opened the box, it was obvious why they are top of the line. From the foam packaging, to the storage pouches for the extra cables to the velvet bag the power supply comes in, it is high end. I've seen other power supplies that are reliable, feature-rich and perform just fine that are quite a bit cheaper........but they aren't on the same level as the high end Corsair/SeaSonic units.

Lists don't mean as much as holding one in your hands and knowing that every dollar you spent was well worth it. And with the warranty that Corsair and SeaSonic has, these PSU's will follow you around for several years. I'm not saying there aren't other great brands.......I'm saying that there are some that go the extra mile to make a top shelf product. He is free to get what he wants as I only suggested those two brands.
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07 Feb 2013   #43
TwoCables

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Victor S View Post
You never know what new games will demand. I'm not current at all with the new stuff, so I don't know if this applies.
My I7 build is 3 years old, and I started with single GTS 250. And a Corsair 650w.
Might have been overkill, can't remember my calcs then. I know I never intended to run SLI.
Recently I started playing Borderlands, and wanted PhysX, so I turned i on. Dogged the fps.
My son had a spare GTS 250, so we put that in and dedicated it to PhysX. Plays fine with all effects.
Don't think I could have done it if I had low-balled the PSU on the build.
These are very low-power video cards, and when a video card is dedicated to only PhysX processing, it will only pull a very tiny amount of power (very tiny in comparison to full 3D processing). So I'm saying that even the HX520 would have been overkill.
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07 Feb 2013   #44
TwoCables

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
Go to Newegg, look at the higher end Corsair and SeaSonic power supplies and you will see the quality that comes with them. Better yet, buy one, open it up and look at one. Look at the cabling, look at the features........that is why they are SOME of the best made. Also, SeaSonic makes power supplies for several companies, not just the high end Corsair units. I have personally bought a high end Seasonic power supply and when I opened the box, it was obvious why they are top of the line. From the foam packaging, to the storage pouches for the extra cables to the velvet bag the power supply comes in, it is high end. I've seen other power supplies that are reliable, feature-rich and perform just fine that are quite a bit cheaper........but they aren't on the same level as the high end Corsair/SeaSonic units.

Lists don't mean as much as holding one in your hands and knowing that every dollar you spent was well worth it. And with the warranty that Corsair and SeaSonic has, these PSU's will follow you around for several years. I'm not saying there aren't other great brands.......I'm saying that there are some that go the extra mile to make a top shelf product. He is free to get what he wants as I only suggested those two brands.
Most of the higher-quality PSUs in that list that are not Corsair or SeaSonic are just as nice in these respects. That's a very carefully-made list by the PSU experts on Overclock.net. These aren't amateur self-proclaimed experts either.

Also, you haven't told me anything that I don't already know.
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07 Feb 2013   #45
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

The GTS 250 still required a 450 watt power supply, which is the same requirements the EVGA GTX 660Ti Superclocked card has. The point is, don't skimp on a power supply when the rest of your system depends on it to run right. Even if you don't care about features, modularity, packaging and warranty, if you spend $10-15 more on a power supply that is more than you need, so what? The magazine to my pistol holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP, when I've not yet used 1 round in self-defense........does that mean I need to carry just 1 bullet in my pocket like Barney Fife?


I never said those were the only two brands to get. I never said nothing else will work, I just said that they are probably some of the best across the board, for the money. The are very popular for a reason and the OP can decide what he wants and what will fit his needs. I've already bought one, I did the research on it, I know that SeaSonic at one time made units for over a dozen companies and I know when I pulled it out of the box that it wasn't a run of the mill power supply. I'll keep recommending those power supplies to anyone needing a recommendation on a power supply, just as you will recommend some from that list. It's all good in the hood.
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07 Feb 2013   #46
TwoCables

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
The GTS 250 still required a 450 watt power supply, which is the same requirements the EVGA GTX 660Ti Superclocked card has. The point is, don't skimp on a power supply when the rest of your system depends on it to run right. Even if you don't care about features, modularity, packaging and warranty, if you spend $10-15 more on a power supply that is more than you need, so what? The magazine to my pistol holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP, when I've not yet used 1 round in self-defense........does that mean I need to carry just 1 bullet in my pocket like Barney Fife?
No, that's a 450W peak-rated PSU. Most 450W peak-rated PSUs have a continuous capacity of about 325-350W. The 650W power supply you have is a continuous-rated unit, meaning that it can deliver 650W 24/7 if ever needed. Its peak is much higher than 650W. The same is true for the HX520: it can deliver 520W 24/7 if it's ever needed, but its peak is way higher than 520W. I remember seeing a review somewhere of the HX520 showing that its absolute peak was at about 674W.
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07 Feb 2013   #47
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
The GTS 250 still required a 450 watt power supply, which is the same requirements the EVGA GTX 660Ti Superclocked card has. The point is, don't skimp on a power supply when the rest of your system depends on it to run right. Even if you don't care about features, modularity, packaging and warranty, if you spend $10-15 more on a power supply that is more than you need, so what? The magazine to my pistol holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP, when I've not yet used 1 round in self-defense........does that mean I need to carry just 1 bullet in my pocket like Barney Fife?
No, that's a 450W peak-rated PSU. Most 450W peak-rated PSUs have a continuous capacity of about 325-350W. The 650W power supply you have is a continuous-rated unit, meaning that it can deliver 650W 24/7 if ever needed. Its peak is much higher than 650W. The same is true for the HX520: it can deliver 520W 24/7 if it's ever needed, but its peak is way higher than 520W. I remember seeing a review somewhere of the HX520 showing that its absolute peak was at about 674W.

I have the X750. And a minimum recommended is a minimum recommended. The GTS 250 and the 660Ti both have a recommended minimum of 450 watts. I know you can get away with that, or even a little less, but it doesn't make any sense to just do the bare minimum. I would rather have an overpowered, overbuilt unit for scalability.
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07 Feb 2013   #48
TwoCables

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
The GTS 250 still required a 450 watt power supply, which is the same requirements the EVGA GTX 660Ti Superclocked card has. The point is, don't skimp on a power supply when the rest of your system depends on it to run right. Even if you don't care about features, modularity, packaging and warranty, if you spend $10-15 more on a power supply that is more than you need, so what? The magazine to my pistol holds 10 rounds of .45 ACP, when I've not yet used 1 round in self-defense........does that mean I need to carry just 1 bullet in my pocket like Barney Fife?
No, that's a 450W peak-rated PSU. Most 450W peak-rated PSUs have a continuous capacity of about 325-350W. The 650W power supply you have is a continuous-rated unit, meaning that it can deliver 650W 24/7 if ever needed. Its peak is much higher than 650W. The same is true for the HX520: it can deliver 520W 24/7 if it's ever needed, but its peak is way higher than 520W. I remember seeing a review somewhere of the HX520 showing that its absolute peak was at about 674W.

I have the X750. And a minimum recommended is a minimum recommended. The GTS 250 and the 660Ti both have a recommended minimum of 450 watts. I know you can get away with that, or even a little less, but it doesn't make any sense to just do the bare minimum. I would rather have an overpowered, overbuilt unit for scalability.
They are referring to peak-rated PSUs. Most (if not all) peak-rated 450W power supplies have a continuous capacity of about 325-350W at best. This means that if they were to be sold as a continuous-rated PSU, then they would be sold as a 325-350W power supply (depending on the testing that would need to be done to figure out the exact rating it deserves). Some are so bad that they would only get a 300W rating for their continuous capacity. It depends on how the PSU does at various temperatures.

The AX750 is a continuous-rated PSU. Its peak is MUCH higher than 750W, sitting at about 875W. The AX750 can easily deliver 750W 24/7 as long as the PSU's temperature never exceeds 50C. If it were to exceed 50C, then its continuous capacity would go down as the temperature goes up. Cheaper continuous rated PSUs are only able to deliver their rated continuous wattage at either 30C or 40C. For example, the Corsair CX series are rated for 30C. So if the PSU's temperature exceeds 30C, then its continuous capacity decreases along with the temperature increase.

When you see a PSU requirement, it's talking about peak-rated PSUs. As a general rule of thumb, multiple the value by .70 to .75 and you'll get the approximate continuous rating you should look for. For example, the GTX 580 I have says the minimum PSU requirement is 600W. 600 x .70 is 420W, and 600 x .75 is 450W. This is absolutely correct according to this PSU calculator:

PSU Calc Final Release

I get 430W from it. As you can see from my system, I mentioned that my HX650 is overkill. I could have been just fine with a quality-made 450W power supply - except I found the HX650 at the same price as a 450W unit I wanted. Remember, I'm talking about continuous-rated PSUs.
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07 Feb 2013   #49
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Layback Bears power supply choice method.
My max. computer requirements is 442W.
I have a quality 850W power supply.
Why would I do such a thing. Well it's the sweet spot. If for what ever reason I would or could run my system 100% for a long period of time my AX850 would not be working very hard. What I call the sweet spot.
When any power supply has to run at or close to it's max. it creates heat and noise. It also in most cases doesn't put out a clean amp/volt signal like it would if it was running in its sweet spot. It also gives me the ability to add just about anything I want without upgrading the power supply.
WARNING. Once you use a modular power supply you will be hooked on modular power supplies.
A modular power supply makes the assemble of a computer just a lot easier and neater. We all like easier but your computer will like neater. Keeping all those cable out of the way of proper air flow through the case.
P/S Pay attention on the amps on the rails not just total watts.
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07 Feb 2013   #50
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Layback Bears power supply choice method.
My max. computer requirements is 442W.
I have a quality 850W power supply.
Why would I do such a thing. Well it's the sweet spot. If for what ever reason I would or could run my system 100% for a long period of time my AX850 would not be working very hard. What I call the sweet spot.
When any power supply has to run at or close to it's max. it creates heat and noise. It also in most cases doesn't put out a clean amp/volt signal like it would if it was running in its sweet spot. It also gives me the ability to add just about anything I want without upgrading the power supply.
WARNING. Once you use a modular power supply you will be hooked on modular power supplies.
A modular power supply makes the assemble of a computer just a lot easier and neater. We all like easier but your computer will like neater. Keeping all those cable out of the way of proper air flow through the case.
P/S Pay attention on the amps on the rails not just total watts.
^^This
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