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Windows 7: SSD performance concerns when booting win 7 ult

28 Feb 2013   #1
Jaime74656

Windows 10 64bit Ultimate
 
 
SSD performance concerns when booting win 7 ult

Ok reciently some were working to help me try and resolve windows update issues which lead to me having to just reinstall the OS and that in turn gave me the excuse and oppertunity I needed to also do some small hardware upgrades.

I recently got a Kingston 120GB SSD which I have installed and its running my OS (listed in system specs), and when I got the drive from my local computer place they said I should/would see some sort of performance increase, well truth be told Im NOT seeing it, in fact it seems that boot times are suffering some, as when I had my mech drive (at least 4+ years old mind you) that was a Seagate 500GB drive, booted quicker then the SSD...as for the drive don't ask me specifics about the mech, as all it says is that it is "built for OEM specs and for further info contact teh PC mfg" (where lies another issue as I don't remember what PC it would have come out of as I usually pull drives out of any PC that im getting rid of and reuse them untill they more or less start to have problems/fail on me...so this piticular drive could very well be from the days of my mom's gateway (long gone since 2007/2008.

I am wanting to know of good (safe) ways to make it boot/load faster, once I get into the desktop part it loads with in meer seconds, so my main tiff is the part where you see the windows graphic with the words starting windows...it seems to just sit there and hang for at least 30 seconds to 1 minute or possibly longer...(havent timed it yet)


anyways before people start going on about enabling trim, disableing this thing or that thing, keep it simple, this is my first SSD that I have purchased, I am also reading any and all threads I can about SSDs...so what I want to know is the following (see questions below) questions...

1. How do I enable trim or verify if its already turned on? this is a fresh install of Win 7 64-bit ultimate on the new drive

2. how do I increase the boot time (when the pretty windows graphic shows with "starting windows"

3. how can I squeeze every bit of performance out of the SSD?

4. get the windows loading bit to speed up?

5. any thing else that might help me get to faster load/boot times and get them down as low as they can go...


Thanks for your help as always!!


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28 Feb 2013   #2
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

First of all, read this tutorial and check your restart time before you make any changes. Gives you a good baseline and lets you keep track of your improvements. Restart Time

Next, we have a great SSD Optimization Tutorial that you should read.....it should answer most of your questions. SSD Tweaks and Optimizations
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28 Feb 2013   #3
JimLewandowski

 
 

How to Use Event Viewer to Find Your PC’s Boot Time

The above link is for semi-reference.


Go to Control Panel, Event Viewer.

Then navigate to:

Microsoft
-- Windows
---- Diagnostics/Performance

Events "100" are what you are looking for. When you highlight an event in the upper pane, the lower pane will display it. Click on the DETAILS tab and then cut and paste a few of the complete FRIENDLY VIEW text.

We should be able to isolate what part of boot is slow.

As an example, here is one of mine:

I just tried cut/pasting the FRIENDLY VIEW text and it won't word wrap so maybe a screen capture would be good.
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28 Feb 2013   #4
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

Click Copy on the menu on the right then paste it here. Select the copied text then click on the # in the tools ribbon. You'll get something that looks like this.

Code:
 
Log Name:      Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date:          2/28/2013 2:16:27 PM
Event ID:      100
Task Category: Boot Performance Monitoring
Level:         Warning
Keywords:      Event Log
User:          LOCAL SERVICE
Computer:      CCW3-PC
Description:
Windows has started up: 
     Boot Duration  : 40046ms
     IsDegradation  : false
     Incident Time (UTC) : ‎2013‎-‎02‎-‎28T20:14:29.671600300Z
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="Error">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance" Guid="{CFC18EC0-96B1-4EBA-961B-622CAEE05B0A}" />
    <EventID>100</EventID>
    <Version>2</Version>
    <Level>3</Level>
    <Task>4002</Task>
    <Opcode>34</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x8000000000010000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2013-02-28T20:16:27.777313800Z" />
    <EventRecordID>3050</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation ActivityID="{036C4A60-F800-0004-E8FA-D636F015CE01}" />
    <Execution ProcessID="1540" ThreadID="2892" />
    <Channel>Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational</Channel>
    <Computer>CCW3-PC</Computer>
    <Security UserID="S-1-5-19" />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data Name="BootTsVersion">2</Data>
    <Data Name="BootStartTime">2013-02-28T20:14:29.671600300Z</Data>
    <Data Name="BootEndTime">2013-02-28T20:16:25.223167700Z</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemBootInstance">1160</Data>
    <Data Name="UserBootInstance">1157</Data>
    <Data Name="BootTime">40046</Data>
    <Data Name="MainPathBootTime">25546</Data>
    <Data Name="BootKernelInitTime">17</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDriverInitTime">276</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDevicesInitTime">2481</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPrefetchInitTime">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPrefetchBytes">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootAutoChkTime">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootSmssInitTime">19858</Data>
    <Data Name="BootCriticalServicesInitTime">332</Data>
    <Data Name="BootUserProfileProcessingTime">901</Data>
    <Data Name="BootMachineProfileProcessingTime">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootExplorerInitTime">1011</Data>
    <Data Name="BootNumStartupApps">9</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPostBootTime">14500</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsRebootAfterInstall">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsStepDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsGradualDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootImprovementDelta">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDegradationDelta">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsRootCauseIdentified">false</Data>
    <Data Name="OSLoaderDuration">992</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPNPInitStartTimeMS">17</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPNPInitDuration">2509</Data>
    <Data Name="OtherKernelInitDuration">340</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS">2845</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemPNPInitDuration">248</Data>
    <Data Name="SessionInitStartTimeMS">3098</Data>
    <Data Name="Session0InitDuration">17422</Data>
    <Data Name="Session1InitDuration">101</Data>
    <Data Name="SessionInitOtherDuration">2334</Data>
    <Data Name="WinLogonStartTimeMS">22957</Data>
    <Data Name="OtherLogonInitActivityDuration">676</Data>
    <Data Name="UserLogonWaitDuration">146</Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>
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01 Mar 2013   #5
TVeblen

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jaime74656 View Post
1. How do I enable trim or verify if its already turned on? this is a fresh install of Win 7 64-bit ultimate on the new drive
Start > type: cmd > Right click on cmd.exe > Run as administrator
Type: fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify > and hit ENTER
If the result is '0' TRIM is enabled.

Now you did not say it so I have to ask: is your SATA controller set to AHCI mode in BIOS?

Does your motherboard have SATA 2 or SATA 3 ports?

How does Windows start up if you disconnect all of your other drives except the SSD?

Let us know.
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01 Mar 2013   #6
Jaime74656

Windows 10 64bit Ultimate
 
 

ok dug through the other linked topics (forgot to mention this) and did most of what was there as far as dealing with a fresh install, did a restart but for what ever reason didn't get any message about the windows reboot time so I may try that again (i did get some window that asked me what to do about the program), going to check if the program got blocked, altho I did get a window that asked if i wanted to open/run or cancel that program...
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05 Mar 2013   #7
Jaime74656

Windows 10 64bit Ultimate
 
 

Ok update, as far as from the time from the windows balls that fly in and make the flag, to the time it takes to get to desktop seems a lot faster, it still seems things before that point are still slower, so I will be checking things like my boot order and see if there is a way to speed things up there (boot to OS first vs looking at other drives first, ect)
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05 Mar 2013   #8
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Jamie, everything before you see the starting Windows, is the bios. The bios runs POST (Pre Operation Self Test) before anything, that's when you hear the beep. Once you see the Windows starting is the first time the SSD has anything to do with start up time. Your bios should be in AHCI mode, if it is not, let us know and we can tell you how to put it there. If you do it now, windows will not boot at all. Is your SSD aligned? Download AS SSD and open it, you don't have to run the test if you don't want to. It is a performance test for SSDs. Post a screenshot on your next post making sure we can read the AS SSD window. Screenshots and Files - Upload and Post in Seven Forums. Also, make sure your SSD data cable is connected to the first data port on your motherboard. And as with all downloads, be sure to read what is downloading with the program. You can uncheck the boxes to not download any add ons they want to include.
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05 Mar 2013   #9
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

Don't expect any answers Steve. The OP seems to be doing his own thing.
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05 Mar 2013   #10
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
Don't expect any answers Steve. The OP seems to be doing his own thing.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
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