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Windows 7: 1394a PCI plugin board vs onboard ports, is there a difference?

21 Jul 2013   #1
burchis

Windows 7 32bit
 
 
1394a PCI plugin board vs onboard ports, is there a difference?

I looking to upgrade my system with a new motherboard. I need to have 1394/firewire support. I realize this is a dying interface but I still use it. There only a few motherboards that now offer this port. I am thinking as an alternative to use a 1394 port PCI plugin board but not wanting to sacrifice and speed or performance by using a plugin board. Is this a valid concern, would a PCI plugin board be just as fast as an on-board port?

Thanks


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22 Jul 2013   #2
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

What application are you using the Firewire for? If its for recording, you need one with a T.I. Chipset. Most audio recording equipment use the DICE or DICE II firewire chipset and that only wants to see a T.I. Chipset in the PC interface. A PCI firewire 400 will be more than adequate.

On most newer motherboards, the PCI port on the motherboard is not a full PCI port but is bridged from the PCIe bus. We've been through that on the Cakewalk Sonar forum. (I have a recording studio using Sonar X2).
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22 Jul 2013   #3
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

The most common PCI kind has 133 MB/s of transfer speed, a firewire 400 has up to 50 MB/s of actual transfer speed, Firewire 800 (the 1394b) has speeds up to 400 MB/s. So if you need transfer speeds in excess of 133 MB/s, it's better if you find a firewire expansion card with PCI-e interface.

Assuming PCI-e 2.0 standards (as that's what you find on new boards and expansion cards), it will give you 500 MB/s of transfer speed per PCI-e lane (x1 cards have one lane, x2 cards have two and so on) So a x1 card will be more than enough to run a single device.


If you have specific needs other than raw file transfer speed (device compatibility?), post more info.
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24 Jul 2013   #4
burchis

Windows 7 32bit
 
 

Would a motherboard (one bought today) that has Firewire port be a 1394a or 1394b.

If I choose to buy a PCI Firewire add-on card should I get the PCIx16 or does it matter if I just use PCIx1.

What is the difference between a ePCI and a Full PCI port that fireberd talked about?
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24 Jul 2013   #5
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

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Would a motherboard (one bought today) that has Firewire port be a 1394a or 1394b.
You must check the specifications on the manufacturer's site. Google the motherboard's name and you will get there fast.

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If I choose to buy a PCI Firewire add-on card should I get the PCIx16 or does it matter if I just use PCIx1.
You mean PCI-e. Anyway I said already. if the PCI-e slot on the motherboard is PCI-e 2.0 you can get a x1 card and it will be fast enough for a single firewire 800 (1394b) port (even if it has more than one port). Again, check from the specifications on the manufacturer site.

If you just need to run firewire 400 (1394a), a PCI card will be enough

Anyway, don't confuse PCI with PCI-e, they are different in both appearence and speed. THis pic shows a PCI slot down below, and 4 sizes of PCI-e slots.

This is a PCI card (USB ports). This is a PCI-e x1 card (ethernet). Look at the size and shape of the part with golden lines.

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What is the difference between a ePCI and a Full PCI port that fireberd talked about?
Full PCI port is a port that is controlled by a PCI controller in the chipset or somewhere on the board, but most modern motherboards simply convert a PCI-e slot into PCI with conversion chips and solder a PCI slot in its place, and that may cause issues with some cards.
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24 Jul 2013   #6
madcratebuilder

Win8/8.1,Win7-U64, Vista U64, uncounted Linux distor's
 
 

Most new mobo have a IEEE 1394a 9/10 pin header on them. If 1394a works for you all you would need is the slot bracket. Both my older mobo's have one or two 1394 ports on the I/O panel on the back plus a internal connector, the new uses a internal connector only. I still use 1394 for moving video from a older camcorder. If you use a add in card PCIe goes direct to the CPU and PCI goes through the South Bridge first. On my 990fxa the onboard 1394a share the PCI path.
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24 Jul 2013   #7
burchis

Windows 7 32bit
 
 

Thanks you for your help on this.
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