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Windows 7: Long Term Build


25 Aug 2013   #1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 
Long Term Build

I generally build systems with high end parts. I've found this to be beneficial in longevity, reliability and performance. I built my last machine in 2008 around a Q9550 and Gigabyte EP45-UD3R, 8gb RAM and Win7x64. It's served me well all of these years.

Now, of course, it's getting a bit long in tooth, esp. since I recently started playing MP FPS games, which, as you know, require a bit of horsepower for smooth gameplay. I did just recently buy a Sapphire ATI 7870 OC edition, which has helped frame rates considerably, but not enough to stop there.

I'm gearing up to build another system and have been looking at 1150 socket boards and the i7 4770K cpu. I'd like to build another long term system, knowing that when the time comes, I'll likely jump a socket or two (or more).

So the question is, is 1150 socket the way to go or is there an older socket that will fill the bill? It would need to be justifiably cheaper (which may negate 1155), support a reasonable amount of recent technology and carry me through 3-5 more years (assuming technology doesn't require a sooner upgrade).

I don't mind spending the money on the latest (in this case, MB, CPU and RAM). I just don't care to waste it. I'm not interested in AMD atm. Thanks for your opinions.

Salt


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26 Aug 2013   #2

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Hello Salt mate surprised you haven't had a flood of answers on this one?? The latest in here is a thread around the Haswell (1150) technology see this i5-4670K or i7-4770K? .

I currently have my latest build - an Ivy bridge machine on the 1155 technology and it runs real nice apart from a cooler that let go it is just great. Trouble is the 1155 boards where I am are getting harder to find and if you are looking at some recent technology at a reasonable price then 1155 would be the way to go and you are not tied to using the most expensive CPU for it either. This is what is available to me where I get my stuff from to give you an idea.

But I am planning on going onto the Haswell stuff in the near future and am watching that thread to see how it pans out first. I think the general consensus is based around Asus hardware but mind you the costs can be quite intimidating unless you have a money tree LOL!!

Myself I prefer the NVidia hardware for graphical stuff and I use the G Skill forum for RAM advice but there are plenty of the members here who are on the money with any of it.
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26 Aug 2013   #3
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64 (Windows 10, 8.1, Linux Mint, Windows XP and others in VM)
 
 

I typed a long post and somehow lost it, so, I'll try again. I'm generally considered an enthusiast by those being nice to me. Crazy by many others and am guilty of that also. I can't answer your question, I can only give my opinion. I typically build several times a year, usually not because I need to but because I want to, and this is my hobby. I tend to try to stay up with the latest technology, but also disagree with anything that is called future proof. There is no such thing. I have no intention of building a Haswell rig. Haswell (1150) has some very nice features in the platform but the CPUs have been a big disappointment in the enthusiast community. They do not overclock nearly as well and are extremely hot. By most technology sites, they offer a 5% increase in performance. Trying to look at the big picture, it is my opinion that the negatives outweigh the positives. The platform and CPU I have now, is my choice for the best gaming rig. The only other platform that interests me is the 2011 platform. That was built for a workhorse platform for those who do heavy duty work such as CAD work or HD Video encoding. They are particularly efficient in programs that use multi core applications. I really don't do a lot of that, so I like the 3770K for what I do. As a gaming platform, Ill take the 3770K without question. Personally I see more negatives than positives with Haswell. I game often but do not own a game that will challange this CPU and don't expect to see one in the nex several years. Games are dependant more on the Graphics card than the CPU anyway. If I decided to build a new rig today, it would either be another 3770K or a 2011 rig, just for something different. In the end, the choice is yours. Everything I have said is my personal opinion. My best advise I can give you is spend a lot of time researching all of your options before making any decisions. Good luck to you with whatever you decide. But again, these are my opinions and I'm sure you will get many others who disagree with me. You can look at the bottom of this post at 'My system Specs' and see what I am running. I'm perfectly happy with it and believe It will be a long time before anything comes along that will make me need to change.
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26 Aug 2013   #4

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

I saw your original post Steve and I was in the process of giving you rep for it as I found it an excellent post. It would not let me rep you, not because I needed to spread more rep, it just wouldn't let me press the button after I had entered my comments.
I thought perhaps you decided to edit it or deleted it for some unknown reason.
I then spent quite a while posting a reply on the same subject, but I don't think I will post it now as much of it is similar to what you put.

Edit: Actually I will add what I put as it gives some slightly different info.

With the 4770K it all comes down to whether you want to overclock, obviously it's a K series CPU with means it was designed to be overclocked, but in my opinion they got it wrong with this one. I have heard nothing but bad things regarding overclocking them, big heat and not big speeds compared to Ivybridge.

I would say if you don't plan on overclocking or want to overclock a little (maybe to 4 to 4.2GHz) then it will be a great CPU, if you want to overclock properly then go for an Ivy 3770K.

Depending on how quickly you want to build you may want to consider the new Ivybridge E CPU's which are out within the next month, these are quite a bit more expensive and are really more than anyone would need, but useful in certain situations.

Just depends how far you want to go.


Paul.
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26 Aug 2013   #5

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

I knew Steve would be lurking LOL!! You see therein itself tells you just about what you need to know and confirms what I have been thinking about the Haswell.


But as said a lot of research mate and you will be ok just post back when you have had a look around

John
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26 Aug 2013   #6
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64 (Windows 10, 8.1, Linux Mint, Windows XP and others in VM)
 
 

Yes, I deleted the first post as somehow I managed to mess it up. It was probably better as I think I put a little more info in it. But, For me and for what I do with my computer, the 3770K serves me well and there is little to no advantage to switching to Haswell, other than having the latest tech toy. And that will only last a few months. It will do heavy duty lifting too. Last week I encoded 300 DVDs with this rig and it never hesitsted. An E series chip, I'm sure would have done it faster, but this will do any job you ask it to. Another consideration is the new technology. You will have several months before the motherboard manufacturers figure out all the new problems and the software companies catch up. Ivy Bridge has been through all of that and is tried and proven itself. You should have none of that with it.
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26 Aug 2013   #7

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Thanks to all for the informative responses (and appreciation for your diligence, Essenbee ). The committed members of this forum (as in dedicated, not institutionalized...) seem to be a great group and very knowledgeable and helpful. Your time and effort are appreciated here and amongst many others, I'm sure.

I'm in my busy season atm, so I won't be moving on this immediately (I generally start the research process pretty early on). But in checking pricing between the 3770K and the 4770K, there's not much of a savings. I've read about the 4770K's heat issues when OCing (vendor user reviews), but since I haven't overclocked in years, I doubt I'll be doing so now, and most have resolved those issues by installing an AM cooler. Add that my office is a cool 68-70 when occupied (74 when not), I don't see the heat as much of an issue.

Granted, almost any upgrade I make will be a significant improvement. As can be seen here, the 4770K is tested to be almost twice the performance as my current flagship Q9550 system:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 vs Core i7-4770K

But given that the prices aren't significantly higher than the 3770K (seems like 1155 is the only current widely available "other" platform aside from AMD), I'm leaning toward the 4770K (although not set in concrete).

Other than the heat issues, which as stated above, will likely have little impact, is there any other reason not to go with the new platform?

Again, thanks for (all) your efforts.

Salt

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Another consideration is the new technology. You will have several months before the motherboard manufacturers figure out all the new problems and the software companies catch up. Ivy Bridge has been through all of that and is tried and proven itself. You should have none of that with it.
I see you've supplied one good reason before I even finished my post. You guys are good. Damn good. .

And that is a good reason to avoid the newer platform. Anything else?
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26 Aug 2013   #8

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Well I am with Steve all the way the Ivy is my cup of tea at the moment mind you I don't do all that rendering stuff or a lot of gaming - no time!! the i5 3570K I have in works a treat and was not affected by the crash caused by the cooling going bung.
Personally the Ivy is probably going to be where I stop I am beginning to think and maybe just get a better board, maybe an i7 and GPU than I have got now.

If you are wondering about boards I don't know about the others but I have had no problems with the Asus stuff. Te Gigabyte in my Sandy Bridge is no slouch either with an i5 2500 in it.
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26 Aug 2013   #9

W7 Pro x64 SP1 / W8.1 Pro x64 / W10 Tech Preview x64 VM
 
 

Just a small addition regarding Haswell if I may. I've been running a 4670k at stock speeds on an ASUS Sabertooth Z87 since Haswell was released, and during heavy gaming (Crysis 3, BF3, Metro: Last Light etc) I never get temps above 48C on any core with a triple copper heatpipe air cooler. I can't say Haswell doesn't run hot as I've seen lots of comments saying it does, but I've never seen any actual evidence (I haven't really looked for any) and mine certainly doesn't.
I'm more than happy with the Haswell setup to be honest, maybe the motherboard's assisted airflow has something to do with keeping temps down, I don't know.

I'm not trying to disregard what Essenbe has said here either, just offering my personal experience with Haswell so far.
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26 Aug 2013   #10
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64 (Windows 10, 8.1, Linux Mint, Windows XP and others in VM)
 
 

You'll certainly see a performance increase over what you have now, no matter which platform you go with. But, there is not enough difference between the 1150 and 1155 that you could notice it. Also as a suggestion. You said you had no interest in overclocking, save a few dollars and don't go with the K chips then. The K only means they have an unlocked multiplier (allows you to overclock them) the boards are similar in that the overclocking boards cost more. If you do overclock, I really believe you are underestimating the heat produced by the 4770K. But, on everyday use, not overclocked a very good cooler will be fine, I think. You shouldn't have a problem at all. If you try to run a stabilty test or run applications that max it out, that will be another story. But, either platform will be a great performance increase over what you are running now. You will be surprised. Let us know when you get it built and how it does for you. You'll enjoy gaming more, I promise you that. And your new card will perform better too. I suspect it is being throttled right now by your CPU.
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