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Windows 7: Mini PCIe and adapter VS. SATA

11 Dec 2013   #1
ChrisPbass

7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 
Mini PCIe and adapter VS. SATA

I have a mini pcie mSATA card that I want to use for a desktop of mine. Kingston sm200s3 60GB

I believe there are only 2 options.
1. SATA > SATA adapter > mSATA card
2. PCIe slot > PCI adapter > mSATA card.

As far as 2. goes; I have found a card that fits into a PCIe slot which has an input for the mSATA card.

I know that this is not the ideal way to hook up the card but I don't see any more options.

Which is there better way to go or what am I missing?


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11 Dec 2013   #2
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Whatever has an mSATA interface for it will work.

From here SSD Kingston 60GB SM200S3/60G mSATA p/ Ultrabook,tablet - Atera Informática

its a SATA 3 device, so for optimal performance you should use something that can guarantee enough bandwith to not bottleneck it.

PCIe bandwith depends from number of lanes used (a x1 card has one lane, a x2 card has two and so on) and the PCIe revision/version of both devices. The panel on the right here gives all speeds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express so just multiply that by the number of lanes the card has and you will find out its bandwith. SATA 3 has 6 GB/s of theoretical max bandwith, although actual transfer speed does not go above 1 GB/s afaik.

This Mini PCIe PCI E mSATA Intel Samsung SSD SATA 3 III Adapter Card with Case | eBay

this SATA III Dual Port to mSATA X 2 w/ PCI-e Bracket | MSATA-2XS3-BKT

are examples of what you listed as 1, and stuff I would orient myself towards if my mobo had SATA 3 connectors already. Because... hey, why waste PCIe slots for that?
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11 Dec 2013   #3
ChrisPbass

7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobafetthotmail View Post
Whatever has an mSATA interface for it will work.

From here SSD Kingston 60GB SM200S3/60G mSATA p/ Ultrabook,tablet - Atera Informática

its a SATA 3 device, so for optimal performance you should use something that can guarantee enough bandwith to not bottleneck it.

PCIe bandwith depends from number of lanes used (a x1 card has one lane, a x2 card has two and so on) and the PCIe revision/version of both devices. The panel on the right here gives all speeds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express so just multiply that by the number of lanes the card has and you will find out its bandwith. SATA 3 has 6 GB/s of theoretical max bandwith, although actual transfer speed does not go above 1 GB/s afaik.

This Mini PCIe PCI E mSATA Intel Samsung SSD SATA 3 III Adapter Card with Case | eBay

this SATA III Dual Port to mSATA X 2 w/ PCI-e Bracket | MSATA-2XS3-BKT

are examples of what you listed as 1, and stuff I would orient myself towards if my mobo had SATA 3 connectors already. Because... hey, why waste PCIe slots for that?
The dtop is a home server that will function as a file server for our small home business and will also backup 2 or 3 PCs. I am currently not using any PCIe slots as the graphics and NIC is integrated.
I have 4 sata connections available. I have 3 hard drives at this point (7 TB) so I probably won't go above that and need anymore SATA connections.
Thanks for all the info! Totally appreciated.

I was going to use this card if I went PCIe
Amazon.com: mSATA Mini PCI-E SATA 3.0 SSD & SATA 3.0 Combo to PCI-E PCI Express Card 6.0Gbps, ASMEDIA ASM1061: Computers & Accessories
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11 Dec 2013   #4
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Ok, that card can give the speed you require (one lane of PCIe 3.0 is around 1 GB/s READ and 1 GB/s WRITE, at the same time). As long as you aren't using other devices connected to the same card anyway. BUT, PCIe speed depends from both the device and the motherboard slot.

Now the investigation goes on the slot you are putting that card in (check the mobo manual). Is it a PCIe 3.0 slot too? If it is a PCIe 2.0 slot the card will be forced to work at 2.0 speeds, and bottleneck you down to 500 MB/s.

Although for a home server OS disk this should not be a major issue as once the thing has booted it will keep all it needs in RAM anyway and the changes to the OS will be rare (most of the fun happens in the data storage drives).
I routinely get away with a decent USB pendrive or a SD card as the OS disk for the linux home servers I set up (with ridiculously crappy hardware).
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11 Dec 2013   #5
ChrisPbass

7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobafetthotmail View Post
Ok, that card can give the speed you require (one lane of PCIe 3.0 is around 1 GB/s READ and 1 GB/s WRITE, at the same time). As long as you aren't using other devices connected to the same card anyway. BUT, PCIe speed depends from both the device and the motherboard slot.

Now the investigation goes on the slot you are putting that card in (check the mobo manual). Is it a PCIe 3.0 slot too? If it is a PCIe 2.0 slot the card will be forced to work at 2.0 speeds, and bottleneck you down to 500 MB/s.

Although for a home server OS disk this should not be a major issue as once the thing has booted it will keep all it needs in RAM anyway and the changes to the OS will be rare (most of the fun happens in the data storage drives).
I routinely get away with a decent USB pendrive or a SD card as the OS disk for the linux home servers I set up (with ridiculously crappy hardware).
Compliant with Serial ATA III specification.
Data transfer rate up to 6.0Gbps.
Compliant with Single-Lane (x1) PCI Express specification revision 1.0.
Supports 27mm half-height & 50mm full-height mSATA Mini PCI-E SASTA SSD.
Supports two independent SATA channels.
Supports ATAPI devices: CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, etc.
Supports boot function.
Supports hot swapping.
One 7 pin SATA & one 52 pin mSATA connectors available.
2 screws & 4 holes available for fixing mSATA drive.
Operating System: Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8 & Server 2003/2008.
Please note that it supports mSATA Mini PCI-E SATA SSD only. It does NOT supports Mini PCI-E (PATA), 1.8" Micro SATA & Airbook SSD.
Package content:
1X Brand New mSATA & SATA 3.0 Combo PCI-E Card.
1X CD Driver.
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11 Dec 2013   #6
ChrisPbass

7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

My next task is setting up a linux home server on a crappy PC
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11 Dec 2013   #7
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Ummm, why you copy-pasted the specs of the card? I know how to read lol.

I said you need to look at the motherboard specs. If you place a PCIe 3.0 card in a PCIe 2.0 slot, the link will go at PCIe 2.0 speeds.

The mobo should have a name or a code written on it, post it or google it to get the specs from the manufacturer's site.
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11 Dec 2013   #8
ChrisPbass

7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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  1. AMD A series & E2 series processors
  2. AMD Athlon™ II series processors/AMD Sempron™ series processors
(Please refer "CPU Support List" for more information.) Chipset
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Memory
  1. 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets supporting up to 64 GB of system memory (Note 1)* The maximum 64 GB of system memory can be supported using 16 GB (or above) memory modules. GIGABYTE will update the memory support list on the official website when the memory modules are available on the market.
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  3. Support for DDR3 2400 (O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz memory modules
(Please refer "Memory Support List" for more information.) Onboard GraphicsAPU:
  1. 1 x D-Sub port
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(All integrated graphics ports do not support Hot plug. If you want to change to another graphics port when the computer is on, be sure to turn off the computer first.) Audio
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  2. High Definition Audio
  3. 2/4/5.1/7.1-channel (Note 3)
  4. Support for S/PDIF Out
LAN
  1. Realtek GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit)
Expansion Slots
  1. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16
  2. 1 x PCI Express x1 slot (All PCI Express slots conform to the PCI Express 2.0 standard.)
  3. 1 x PCI slot
Multi-Graphics Technology
  1. Support for AMD Dual Graphics technologyOnly A series APUs support AMD Dual Graphics.
Storage InterfaceChipset:
  1. 4 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors supporting up to 4 SATA 6Gb/s devices
  2. Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 10, and JBOD
USBChipset:
  1. Up to 8 USB 2.0/1.1 ports (4 ports on the back panel, 4 ports available through the internal USB headers)
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  2. Use of licensed AWARD BIOS
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11 Dec 2013   #9
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

In the above text, I see the folllowing:

All PCI Express slots conform to the PCI Express 2.0 standard.

so it will run at max 500 MB/s of transfer speed TO and FROM the device at the same time, which is probably close to the maximum speed the drive can actually move files at in a real scenario. PCIe has little overhead so that's very close to the speed you will get.

For a home server is it's not a major issue either way, as stated above. But if it was for gaming... nope!
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11 Dec 2013   #10
ChrisPbass

7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Cool. Thank you for the education.
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