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Windows 7: A few questions for setting up my new SSD

15 Apr 2014   #51
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

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So I can't have my HDD as the main boot device & slave the SSD so I can run Disk Part in "Create & Format Disk Partitions" to get it completely erased?
There are no "slaves" in SATA land.

The problem with your idea is that you now have 2 drives with a Windows installation. As far as I know, each of them is bootable and working OK.

Do you know for a fact that the HDD will boot your PC if it is the only drive connected? You need to confirm that.

If you boot from one hard drive and try to use Diskpart on the other (from a command prompt, not from the install disk), you'd have to use the list disk and select disk commands in Diskpart to ensure that you were operating on the right disk (the SSD)--before you use the clean or format commands.

After the SSD was formatted, you'd exit diskpart, shut down, disconnect the HDD, connect the SSD to the motherboard ports formerly used by the HDD, reboot from your install disk and install to the SSD.

I think that would work.

You could also use other programs such as Gparted to wipe the disk, but they are Linux-based.

Or you could just forget about reformatting the SSD.

Maybe someone else has a better idea.
Well my HDD is 500g & the Samsung SSD is 250g, so it will be easy to tell exactly what drive is what.

But if I set BIOS to boot from the HDD first, then it should slave the SSD & allow a full & proper format?

Ranger - I guess you're right. I had to "delete" 2 partitions when reinstalling windows the 2nd time - so did this do the full format do you think? I still don't know what Magician is now showing 0.04 vs 0.01 the first time around?


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15 Apr 2014   #52
ignatzatsonic

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Yeah, you should be able to boot from the HDD if it is bootable. And then use "clean" on the SSD and format it if you can properly identify it.

Yes, you did a full format on your first attempt. But you have the mysterious .04 versus .01 issue. That bothers you.

So use the clean command on the SSD on your next attempt. And hope you don't still have the .04 versus .01 issue.

If you do, and it still bothers you, you could try the "clean all" command. If that doesn't get rid of the issue, you could buy another SSD.
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16 Apr 2014   #53
Ranger4

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit sp1
 
 

Johnny. If you deleted 2 partitions on the second install should have deleted all that was on the SSD. Magician keeps track of the total writes to the SSD. So the .04 was probably covering the first install of Windows, & the .01 was probably the second one. If you format the SSD then the writes will probably start from zero again as all the information has been deleted.

As I mentioned before don't take any notice of what Magician tells you at this stage.

Just get Windows installed & up & running & then get all the updates done. After that we can help you with any other problems.
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16 Apr 2014   #54
crawfish

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Johnny. If you deleted 2 partitions on the second install should have deleted all that was on the SSD. Magician keeps track of the total writes to the SSD. So the .04 was probably covering the first install of Windows, & the .01 was probably the second one. If you format the SSD then the writes will probably start from zero again as all the information has been deleted.
Aren't you guys talking about "Total Bytes Written"? If so, that's a SMART attribute, "Magician" has nothing to do with it, and formatting the SSD and even secure-erasing it won't overwrite that field, which is relevant to estimating the life of the drive.

That said, per my earlier posts in the thread, "Magician" shouldn't be left running anyway. The OP has already reported problems with sleep due to ignoring that advice in which I specifically mentioned Samsung intentionally interferes with sleep. For day to day assessment of drive condition, something like CrystalDiskInfo is loads better.
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16 Apr 2014   #55
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ranger4 View Post
Johnny. If you deleted 2 partitions on the second install should have deleted all that was on the SSD. Magician keeps track of the total writes to the SSD. So the .04 was probably covering the first install of Windows, & the .01 was probably the second one. If you format the SSD then the writes will probably start from zero again as all the information has been deleted.
Aren't you guys talking about "Total Bytes Written"? If so, that's a SMART attribute, "Magician" has nothing to do with it, and formatting the SSD and even secure-erasing it won't overwrite that field, which is relevant to estimating the life of the drive.

That said, per my earlier posts in the thread, "Magician" shouldn't be left running anyway. The OP has already reported problems with sleep due to ignoring that advice in which I specifically mentioned Samsung intentionally interferes with sleep. For day to day assessment of drive condition, something like CrystalDiskInfo is loads better.
Ahh ok, yes the issue in question was in fact the "Total Bytes Written" increasing after the 2nd install. Now I understand and since there is no way to change that I am not going to try the install for the 3rd time & will proceed with this install that seems to be working fine as I continue to do updates.

I've only been back on the SSD for a few minutes, but do see that Magician is still running in the background.

So I should shut it down then? Doesn't it help with OS Optimization & such by leaving it running? I know you've reported there are errors but everyone else said that the errors are rare? So I don't know what to do.

Now I have to try the AHCI setup again...
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16 Apr 2014   #56
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Ok so I changed the two files to 0 & rebooted in BIOS, but I didn't see anything in regards to ACHI? I found the area in BIOS but it only listed IDE?

By switching to ACHI it greatly increases the speed of the SSD doesn't it?

I hope I'm able to switch to it, any idea why it's not showing up & what we can do to make it do so?

Thanks.


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16 Apr 2014   #57
Ranger4

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit sp1
 
 

What is the exact description of your ASUS motherboard. Once you have posted that info then people here will be able to tell whether you can set it up for AHCI & how to do it. I don't have an ASUS motherboard so I cannot help you.

It is not necessary to have Magician running in the background. I only run Magician when I want to check my Samsung SSD & I do not have it running in the background.
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17 Apr 2014   #58
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

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17 Apr 2014   #59
ignatzatsonic

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I'm not sure if that motherboard supports AHCI, but you might need the Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver.

No, AHCI doesn't "greatly increase the speed of the SSD".


AHCI mode brings 3 main advantages:

Supports NCQ (Native Command Queuing) allowing SATA drives to accept more than one command at a time and dynamically reorder the commands for maximum efficiency.

Supports hot plugging of devices

Supports staggered spin ups of multiple hard drives at boot time



However, in the real world the performance difference isn't huge.
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22 Apr 2014   #60
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Hmm, so I guess ACHI doesn't sound like it is needed for my use, but if it's possible I may as well do it.

How can I tell if ACHI is possible?

But I keep hearing how old my computer is

I'm hoping with this latest video card & SSD upgrade I can get another 3-5 years out of it. It runs and works great. Was/is a little slow on the HDD, but that's why the SSD was a nice upgrade.
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