Windows 7 Forums

Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: Defrag or not

11 Aug 2014   #11
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Well it seem that Windows 7 doesn't separate the ssd part from the hard drive part.

I have done about 3 full pages of Google on this subject and I can't find anything I think is worth posting.

I'm at a loss. Maybe some one will come along with something.
I wouldn't defrag it until I was sure.

I was going to buy one of those types of hard drives a year or so ago but I couldn't then find the answer to the question you now have.

I was hoping your pictures would tell us more.


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
11 Aug 2014   #12
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Yes Jack I set the first defrag for a months time at 1am when I don't think the owner will have it on so it gives me a little time to dig into it.

I did try contacting Seagate so from the horses mouth as it were but they require serial numbers for any queries and I didn't get chance to pull the drive out before she left with machine. So I might try the local forum out here and see if there are any folks that know about this problem.

I did find this but although quite a good article I cannot at first quick read through find anything about defragging. Having said that I am hazarding a guess at the NAND flash is really a caching feature and not involved in the actual boot etc but I do stand to be corrected.
Seagate SSHD Thin Review (Gen3 500GB, ST500LM000) | StorageReview.com - Storage Reviews

PS I did forget to mention when I set the install up I did it to a 120GB Samsung SSD and then cloned that to the Seagate and in all honesty the boot and changing from program to program I found hardly any difference in the speed of the hybrid to the SSD.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11 Aug 2014   #13
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I wonder why it's so difficult to get a straight answer. Defrag or don't defrag.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

11 Aug 2014   #14
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Don't know mate there are a few reviews like that one and much the same info but nothing mentions defragging. I am hoping my old forum will come up with something.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11 Aug 2014   #15
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

This suggest not to defragment it:
Seagate Solid State Hybrid Drive FAQs | HP® Support
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11 Aug 2014   #16
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Good find Golden.
I couldn't find it on a Seagate site but you found it on a H.P. site.

Now we know.
Thank you.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11 Aug 2014   #17
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Hey John, just noticed this thread. I have 3 of the 2TB SSHD drives and it says best not to defrag them as the drive is monitoring what is read and written to load most used into the flash ram. I think if you defrag the drive you will reset the smart cache of quickly loading files from the cache. You may want to do it once in a while but certainly not have it scheduled. When I look at the drive the flash is not seen in Windows, DOS or anywhere so the drive controls the cache contents at a system level. The drive always seems to say it does not need to be defragged.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11 Aug 2014   #18
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Thanks Colin I shall disable the defrag that article is good. The only thing I still didn't see is whether the defrag actually damages the flash side of the drive. But all the same why risk it

Tony as you say the flash is not seen in Windows like an SSD is and I suppose even your suggestion that a once in a blue moon defrag might be an option. I am really surprised at the lack of info as such on this -you would have thought Seagate would have been a little more forthcoming on this issue for those who are interested.

But in any case anyone thinking of one of these drives they are certainly very quick and especially as they spin at 5400
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11 Aug 2014   #19
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Well I just found this excellent article plus the link that Coin found and if you read the paragraph at the bottom on page 11 it does state that any applications some offer does involve some degradation in the SSD part the same as defragging could so that has made my mind up not to enable it. The article is for a Momentus but the same principles apply.

All in a good read anyway. Seagate Momentus-XT Solid State Hybrid Drive | Review,Seagate Momentus-XT,Hybrid,SSD,ST95005620AS,Solid State Hybrid Drive,Seagate Momentus-XT ST95005620AS 500GB Solid State Hybrid Drive Benchmark Performance SSD-Hybrid Review

I have just ordered a 1TB one of these drives for my partners machine so at least I know what to do with them in future.

Thanks to everyone for the effort I do really appreciate it.
John
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11 Aug 2014   #20
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Yeah John the 3 I have are 2 TB 3.5 inch and they spin at 7200 RPM. They are fast. I use mine for storage.
Details:
UserBenchmark: Seagate Desktop SSHD 2TB ST2000DX001
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 Defrag or not




Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Auslogics Disk Defrag vs IObit Smart Defrag
Which Defragger do you think is better, because I am trying to decide between the two, but can't decide on one or the other.
Software
Disk Defrag, Registry Defrag and Registry Cleaners
After that great response on "W7 running free forever???", I hope you folks can advise me on the following three subjects: Hard Disk Defrag Registry Defrag Registry Cleaning With the first two, I wonder if W7 inherent capabilities do just as good a job as any of the available programs now...
Performance & Maintenance
Auslogics Defrag vs Win7 built-in Defrag?
Auslogic's Disk Defrag is a free utility. Does anyone know how it compares to Win 7's built in defrag utility? Is it worth downloading over what's already there?
Performance & Maintenance
Does Puran Defrag 7.3 Free work with Windows 7 Defrag disabled ?
I normally set the Disk Defragmenter Task Schedule to DISABLED, and leave the Windows Disk Defragmenter defragsvc set to DISABLED. Will Puran Free be able to safely and fully operate under these conditions, or should I change defragsvc to MANUAL. I occasionally create a Macrium FULL image...
Software
Windows Disk Defrag Doesn't Defrag
Disk defrag stops analyzing at 62% and doesn't go any further. So I downloaded Defraggler and ran it. It worked but it wouldn't defrag down to 0% fragmentation, It still shows 4% after defrag.
Performance & Maintenance
Does Windows Defrag defrag system files?
Hi all. Stupid question here... A friend of mine was speaking highly about this PerfectDisk prog because "it defrags system files." I was kind of surprised because I thought (assumed) that the defrag utility built into Windows 7 already defragged system files. Is this not true? I do not...
Performance & Maintenance


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

© Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:50.

Twitter Facebook Google+



Windows 7 Forums

Seven Forums Android App Seven Forums IOS App