Defrag or not

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  1. Posts : 25,847
    Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
       #11

    Well it seem that Windows 7 doesn't separate the ssd part from the hard drive part.

    I have done about 3 full pages of Google on this subject and I can't find anything I think is worth posting.

    I'm at a loss. Maybe some one will come along with something.
    I wouldn't defrag it until I was sure.

    I was going to buy one of those types of hard drives a year or so ago but I couldn't then find the answer to the question you now have.

    I was hoping your pictures would tell us more.
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  2. Posts : 21,004
    Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
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       #12

    Yes Jack I set the first defrag for a months time at 1am when I don't think the owner will have it on so it gives me a little time to dig into it.

    I did try contacting Seagate so from the horses mouth as it were but they require serial numbers for any queries and I didn't get chance to pull the drive out before she left with machine. So I might try the local forum out here and see if there are any folks that know about this problem.

    I did find this but although quite a good article I cannot at first quick read through find anything about defragging. Having said that I am hazarding a guess at the NAND flash is really a caching feature and not involved in the actual boot etc but I do stand to be corrected.
    Seagate SSHD Thin Review (Gen3 500GB, ST500LM000) | StorageReview.com - Storage Reviews

    PS I did forget to mention when I set the install up I did it to a 120GB Samsung SSD and then cloned that to the Seagate and in all honesty the boot and changing from program to program I found hardly any difference in the speed of the hybrid to the SSD.
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  3. Posts : 25,847
    Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
       #13

    I wonder why it's so difficult to get a straight answer. Defrag or don't defrag.
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  4. Posts : 21,004
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       #14

    Don't know mate there are a few reviews like that one and much the same info but nothing mentions defragging. I am hoping my old forum will come up with something.
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  5. Posts : 19,383
    Windows 10 Pro x64 ; Xubuntu x64
       #15

    This suggest not to defragment it:
    Seagate Solid State Hybrid Drive FAQs | HP® Support
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  6. Posts : 25,847
    Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
       #16

    Good find Golden.
    I couldn't find it on a Seagate site but you found it on a H.P. site.

    Now we know.
    Thank you.
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  7. Posts : 1,686
    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
       #17

    Hey John, just noticed this thread. I have 3 of the 2TB SSHD drives and it says best not to defrag them as the drive is monitoring what is read and written to load most used into the flash ram. I think if you defrag the drive you will reset the smart cache of quickly loading files from the cache. You may want to do it once in a while but certainly not have it scheduled. When I look at the drive the flash is not seen in Windows, DOS or anywhere so the drive controls the cache contents at a system level. The drive always seems to say it does not need to be defragged.
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  8. Posts : 21,004
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       #18

    Thanks Colin I shall disable the defrag that article is good. The only thing I still didn't see is whether the defrag actually damages the flash side of the drive. But all the same why risk it:)

    Tony as you say the flash is not seen in Windows like an SSD is and I suppose even your suggestion that a once in a blue moon defrag might be an option. I am really surprised at the lack of info as such on this -you would have thought Seagate would have been a little more forthcoming on this issue for those who are interested.

    But in any case anyone thinking of one of these drives they are certainly very quick and especially as they spin at 5400:)
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  9. Posts : 21,004
    Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
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       #19

    Well I just found this excellent article plus the link that Coin found and if you read the paragraph at the bottom on page 11 it does state that any applications some offer does involve some degradation in the SSD part the same as defragging could so that has made my mind up not to enable it. The article is for a Momentus but the same principles apply.

    All in a good read anyway. Seagate Momentus-XT Solid State Hybrid Drive | Review,Seagate Momentus-XT,Hybrid,SSD,ST95005620AS,Solid State Hybrid Drive,Seagate Momentus-XT ST95005620AS 500GB Solid State Hybrid Drive Benchmark Performance SSD-Hybrid Review

    I have just ordered a 1TB one of these drives for my partners machine so at least I know what to do with them in future.

    Thanks to everyone for the effort I do really appreciate it.
    John
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  10. Posts : 1,686
    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
       #20

    Yeah John the 3 I have are 2 TB 3.5 inch and they spin at 7200 RPM. They are fast. I use mine for storage.
    Details:
    UserBenchmark: Seagate Desktop SSHD 2TB ST2000DX001
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