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Windows 7: Upgrade GPU and CPU. CPU usage very high. GPU not perform as intended.

10 Sep 2014   #1
Harpiesd

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 
Upgrade GPU and CPU. CPU usage very high. GPU not perform as intended.

(Pardon the botched title. Character limits suck.)

I have switched my previous processor (AMD A10-5800K APU with Radeon HD Graphics 3.80 GHz) to the processor that was in another computer (linux-fedora)(AMD A6-6420K APU with Radeon HD Graphics 4.0Ghz).

I have applied new thermal paste and temperatures idle at around 25C and under stress they don't exceed 55C (max safe is 70C). The processor seems to run anywhere between 1.8GHz to 4.3GHz at any given time (no overclock).

At this point I removed my previous GPU (EVGA SSC 01G-P4-3652-KR GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5) and installed it in the linux machine. I ran on the integrated graphics of the processor (the A6) without drivers for a couple days until my new GPU arrived.
Windows ran in what I suppose was software rendering making things look buggy and having the CPU run around at least 20% or more all the time (I was expecting this from running the integrated graphics without drivers).
Then I decided to play Minecraft with my friends and I had to install the AMD proprietary drivers. They did not help in the CPU usage department and I could not run my server without my friends lagging. Minecraft ran at about 10 FPS which seems odd to me as I'm pretty sure that the graphical capabilities of my APU are enough to run it decently better. But Aero was restored and dragging windows no longer created visual artifacts.

Then, the next day I received my new EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Superclocked 3GB 384-Bit GDDR5. I uninstalled all the AMD video drivers (I kept the USB 3.0 helper stuff and the Dual Core helper thing) and all the Nvidia Drivers on my system, rearranged all the cables in my case to make room for the new card, put in the new card, then booted up my computer (I did boot it up accidentally the first time, the DVI cable was still in the motherboard and not in the card, then I turned it off. I may have missed the EFI telling me my hardware changed if that's significant). I then proceeded to install the Nvidia drivers for my card. During the time the card was plugged in I noticed that the computer was slower even than when it was on integrated graphics with no drivers. When I installed the drivers and reset, the new drivers were working but the CPU usage was still rather high. Dragging windows across the desktop maxed out the CPU and programs took forever to open. Also Minecraft ran at a dismal 25FPS; much, much lower than what I know this card is capable of. Then I opened up Portal 2, maxed out its settings, and it ran like an absolute peach. when i alt-tabbed to the task manager it seemed like portal 2 made the CPU go at a steady 50% usage (I should mention that no specific program uses CPU more than another. they seem to take turns using up the CPU). I then ran a benchmark of Hitman: Absolution at max settings. The average FPS was around 25 but I think that game may be badly optimized so it may be a moot point of comparison.

I then proceeded to use CCleaner to fix registry errors and delete temporary files. When I restarted my computer then, everything started fast. It was almost as if I was still using my old rig to start (It did, however took slightly longer and the widgets on my desktop appeared much later than usual). But, the problems with the CPU persisted and whenever I dragged a window or opened a program the CPU usage would spike from a usual idle of ~6% usage to max. Programs however did not have any adverse effects. It was as if the CPU wasn't busy with something else even though it said it was. The only programs that did seem to suffer adverse effects were GeForce Experience (it comes with the display drivers and failed to start on most occasions) and the Nvidia Control Panel (It started every time, albeit with delay, and whenever I would access another section, say to adjust my desktop resolution, the program would freeze for a few seconds and then display the settings).

I will run some additional benchmarks on my GPU and post them below. My speculation is that windows is still somehow using software rendering in some way to display windows and such. But my expertise is limited to hardware and thus I came here for help. I really do hope you guys can help me. these forums have never failed to solve my problems


Grid 2: Average 35 FPS on Ultra & 4xMSAA @1920x1080.
Other sources on similar platforms achieved an average of 70 FPS on Ultra @2560x1440.

My card should be getting frame rates higher than 70 due to the decreased resolution. Also the CPU was at around 80% usage the benchmark I think.

Tomb Raider: Average 80 FPS at max except for FXAA and no TressFX. Others at the same settings and at 2560x1600 got an average of 75 FPS.

I may have only done slightly below the norm here. But the CPU usage was at 90% the whole benchmark from what i could tell. And when I Alt+Tab away from the game to the task manager, the CPU usage goes way down to like 20%.


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11 Sep 2014   #2
VivaLaMikey

Windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

Maybe try a few simple things first, in your BIOS is the cpu unlocked? not sure if APU's have these features i only ever had i7's or AMD FX's, also is there an option to disable onboard graphics?

Secondly do you have a spare HDD or SSD floating around that you can try a fresh installation of windows on, in my past expereinces windows always hated me changing mobo's, cpu's, GPU's (cross brand) whenever i do significant hardware swaps i always start fresh with windows.

Try a CPU bench utility as it seems this is where your having most problems, this could also cause your gpu to under perform as the cpu could be bottlenecking.
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11 Sep 2014   #3
Harpiesd

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Thank you so much for responding! I honestly thought i was going to be buried.

I looked around In the BIOS and I can't find any specific field that said if the CPU was unlocked or an option to disable onboard graphics, but when I started the computer accidentally with the DVI still in the motherboard it didn't display anything at all on the screen. This has also happened in my experience with other computers so I think the onboard graphics aren't a problem. It is the Black Edition so it should be unlocked, and it was unsupported in the BIOS version I had. I updated the BIOS but there was no change. Well, except my network drivers went bonkers and I had to reinstall them. And below i put a BIOS screenshot. If the CPU is supposed to be unlocked, then why are the min/max values here confusing?


But there were a ton of other fields that seem to be about overclock and it let me change those so It probably is unlocked. Also, I'm not the most literate with all the terms in the BIOS so I may have overlooked something.

I do have an unused HDD but it has some of my dad's files and windows vista 32 bit on it so I will have to ask his permission.

What is a bench utility? A benchmark utility? Oh and i'm afraid the cpu temperature monitoring software i was using was lying to me. I installed Speccy and it is saying my CPU is running at 70C+ at idle (AMD says the max safe temp is <70C) so I'm afraid to run a benchmark because i don't want to put more stress on the already overstressed CPU. I have Intel Burn Test as benchmark software and that is what I used to stress the CPU. And I ran more GPU benchmarks but didn't post them here because I thought this thread was going to go bye bye. Also, my friend says the Bus Speed in the screenshot below should be at least 200Mhz because that's what AMD does but I don't have a complete understanding of bus speed so I can't agree or disagree.

This is a screenshot of the CPU info Speccy gave me


I agree with your CPU bottlenecking conjecture as the GPU seems to be fine otherwise. My conjecture for why Minecraft doesnt run well at all is because it uses an internal server to run everything, thus extreme bottleneck.

Also if a Windows reinstall solves the problem, I'm concerned about keeping some of my paid/subscription programs (Microsoft office, Kaspersky, maybe others). Also, how will the product key work when I use it on another drive? Or if I reinstall windows?

I should be able to post again around 3:00PM tomorrow, maybe sooner, (your time) with the answers I haven't provided yet.
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11 Sep 2014   #4
VivaLaMikey

Windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

From what i can see is your CPU is boosting which might be what is causing the increase in temps, i see your CPU is aimed for 4ghz but your other reading shows your cpu at 4.2GHz so until we can figure out what is causing the increase turn off GPU boost and any CPU boost options you have, im on my work PC at the moment i cant remember what AMD calls their CPU boost option.

Bus speed should be moving to and from depending on what power saving settings you have but since your CPU is boosted that should also be boosted.

Maybe post your motherboard model and i'll have a quick search through the uefi options and supported hardware.

I've been using my Intel gaming rig lately so have forgot most the AMD options but will boot up my AMD gaming rig when im home and have a look at a few things.

One last thing how long has the cpu been running on that fresh thermal paste? It will take a couple days to seat itself in and give consistent temps, it also depends on how you applied the paste and how much.
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11 Sep 2014   #5
Harpiesd

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

I obtained the spare HDD and will install Windows on it when I get home. (Before 2:00PM, your time.)

My Motherboard is an ASUS F2A85-V FM2 AMD A85X Hudson D4. A thing I just noticed is that at the bottom left corner of a post, there's a thing called "My System Specs" that will list the parts one has in their PC. Quite neat.

And the CPU has been running on that thermal paste (Arctic Silver Ceramique) since last Friday (Sept. 5). It isn't the world's best thermal paste but it works very nicely on every other computer I used it on. And I'm pretty sure that I applied it correctly, but I can't discount the possibility that I may have done it improperly.
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11 Sep 2014   #6
Harpiesd

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

I absolutely cannot find my windows cd. What other options do I have that don't involve spending money?

I found this online. looks scetchy but cheaper than buying another instance of windows hThe Complete Re-install New Disc Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit - Had Windows? You Can Re Install It

Will switching the CPU's back make it work?
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13 Sep 2014   #7
Harpiesd

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

I found a windows 7 x64 home premium install disc with my friend's help. I'm going to back up my stuff on another drive with a system image then reinstall windows.
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15 Sep 2014   #8
VivaLaMikey

Windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

You could always download a torrent of Win7 64 just make sure you write down your installation key, should be in the system section of control panel.

Let us know how it turns out.

One last note, to be safe when you boot up windows installation on the "new" hard drive unplug the old one just in case you accidentally format or damage the first HDD, will help with booting up in case you have problems with dualboot
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