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Windows 7: Deleting an empty partition also deletes a partition with data.

17 Sep 2014   #11
gregrocker

 

Bob, it can only be an MBR disk with an Active flag present since GPT disks cannot be marked Active.

But if you look at his SSD in the earlier screenshot somehow the partitions except the protected OEM have all cloned as Logical, even the ones deleted which are now (Logical) Free Space. So he must have set the cloning utility to make them Logical. This of course precluded being able to transfer MBR and Track0 because the System partition cannot be on a Logical since it can't be marked Active. Yet his Logical Recovery clone is marked Active which tells us there is serious dysfunction that I'm not sure I would even want to try to salvage. But I gave him the steps to try. It would be much better given the circumstances to Clean Reinstall, or clone only C as a Primary Active partition and then run Repairs until it is booting the SSD.

Recovery may not boot to run on the clone anyway and should be tested to see before keeping it. But it can be added to a Dual Boot later if he needs to run Recovery using Boot Recovery Partition using EasyBCD




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17 Sep 2014   #12
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

For my two cents worth the only safe way to clone a large drive to a smaller one - which in itself is not possible - logic should tell anyone that cloning a 1.5TB to a 500GB drive would be like trying to put 4 litres of water into a 1 litre pot? is to use Macrium Reflect.

With it you can drag and drop the partitions one wants on the smaller drive up to what it can fit on. But I stand to be corrected of course.
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17 Sep 2014   #13
TVeblen

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Bob, it can only be an MBR disk with an Active flag present since GPT disks cannot be marked Active.
You know, I didn't realize that very visual clue until you said it! Thanks.
You are right. That clone went badly.

bogeybunky: please ignore my last post. Follow Gregrockers instructions.
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17 Sep 2014   #14
bogeybunky

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Deleting an empty partition also deletes a partition with data

Okay here is my reply. First I want to thank all of you who have made suggestions as to how I should proceed. Gregrocker, in particular, thank you for all the time you have obviously spent in analyzing my situation. I cannot possibly explain how I managed to create one of the bigger messes you have ever seen here. All I know is I read about how wonderful the SSD would be from an upgrade standpoint so that was my ultimate goal. Compared to most of my friends and acquaintances I can tell you that I am a computer genius. On the other hand I will be the first to admit that I cannot hold a candle to your expertise and that is why I am so appreciative of the time and effort that has gone into trying to help me.

I purchased the Crucial MX100 SSD which had very good reviews from what I could find. Acronis True Image 2014 came with the SSD and was the recommended software to do the cloning. It seemed to work like a charm and was very easy to use. There were no check boxes or anything to specify primary, logical, etc. All I had to do was select what to clone and where to clone it to. It easily handled the small drive size because all that was cloned was the used space from each partition. After that was done I changed the boot sequence (temporarily at first) to reboot from the SSD. It booted quickly (just over 1 minute compared to about 6 1/2 minutes from the HDD. So I changed the boot sequence permanently in the BIOS and to this day it seems to be working great. I disconnected the internal hard drive and disconnected external hard drive to truly test that the SSD was doing the work. Nothing changed. It continued to work beautifully as before.

I reconnected the internal HD and wanted to clean it up to be used exclusively for backup storage. That was what got me started in the forum. I had deleted some of the old partitions and some strange things were happening. I did not want to go any further for fear I was going to screw something up. Then I got Gregrocker's analysis and found out what a mess I had. I never knew about the 4 partition limitation, etc. and quite honestly was not totally sure of the distinctions between primary, active, logical, etc. Guess I just muddled along. I can obviously see that on the SSD all partitions except the OEM partition and the F: partition are listed as Primary Partitions. I cannot tell you why or how that happened. I don't even want the last 2 partitions (Misc 1 and 2). They came over in the cloning and I am not sure where they came from on the HDD. It is certainly possible that I created them years ago, but I don't remember doing it. I do know that when I deleted them on the HDD it also deleted other partitions so I have not touched them.

I can appreciate that Gregrocker's suggestion to do a clean install on the SSD is the best way to go. However, it does not seem to be the best course for me in my situation. Everything is working fine, I am religiously backing up all my data files (to external hard drives and the cloud). It seems to me that I should just disconnect the internal hard drive and see how things go for a while. The worst that could happen is that I would have to do the clean install somewhere down the road. Down the road at some point I will most likely upgrade the computer and at that point I can upgrade and reinstall my other software. I know that I have 7 Primary Partitions and now know that is not possible. So I must have confused the system so much that it cannot even label them correctly. I know that the Active partition is the bootable partition and on my system the Recovery partition is listed as Active. So maybe that partition is booting up my system or maybe it too is mislabeled and my Drive C is doing the booting.

In any event thank you again for all who have contributed your suggestions. Unless someone tells me I am a complete idiot for doing so I am going to proceed as I described above.
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18 Sep 2014   #15
bogeybunky

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Deleting an empty partition also deletes a partition with data

Thanks Greg for your continued efforts. It has finally dawned on me that when looking at my screenshot that shows both the HDD and the SDD you are confusing which is the SSD and vice-versa. In the Disk Mgt screenshot Disk 0 is the HDD and Disk 1 is the SSD. Earlier in this thread jumanji recommended disconnecting the HDD and all external hard drives. That screen shot is posted earlier showing only the SSD information. When I did that the SSD booted up just fine with no problems. However, Disk Mgt does show everything as Primary Partition except OEM and Recovery partitions.

I am going to do as you suggested and disconnect the HDD. When I did it before I just disconnected the power and SATA cables. I am wondering if it would affect anything if I disconnected both drives and used the original HDD cables to connect the SSD. I really have no idea if this matters or not, but I did want to point out the discrepancy as to which disk is the SSD to see if that changes your thinking in any way. I will post a new screen shot to show my results.
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18 Sep 2014   #16
bogeybunky

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Deleting an empty partition also deletes a partition with data

New screen shot with only SSD attached.


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18 Sep 2014   #17
gregrocker

 

When you have so many small partition it is easy to overload one. Much better to have one large data partition, linked to the OS via Libraries or moving User folders to it.
Library - Include a Folder
Library - Set Save Folder
User Folders - Change Default Location

Likewise I would not have Programs installed on their own partition. They integrate themselves into registry until uninstalled and therefore become a part of the OS on C.

Did you test Dell HD diagnostics from F12 menu at boot to see if it will boot and run? Did you test
How to restore your Windows 7 computer to factory settings | Dell US to see if it will queue up to run from boot?
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18 Sep 2014   #18
bogeybunky

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Deleting an empty partition also deletes a partition with data

I agree with you Greg about having programs in a separate partition. At the time (due to my ignorance) it made sense to me, but I discontinued that a long time ago. I just need to uninstall and reinstall those programs that are still there and then I can delete that partition.

Also, agree on use of Libraries. I have never fully understood their benefit, but your links have been very helpful.

With regard to the Recovery partition. I believe you said you don't like them and I don't really see the need either after all these years. I hate to be dense, but I am not following the reason for trying to test how to restore Windows 7 to factory default. Currently, my Recovery partition is listed as the Active Primary Partition. Can I just change the Active Designation to the Drive C partition and see if it will still boot up.

I did run the Dell Diagnostics, but I believe that was when I still had the old HDD attached. I will try again now with just the SSD .
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