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Windows 7: Help Selecting SSD for PC

08 Aug 2015   #31
ignatzatsonic

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by N2Abyss View Post
Your probably right the smaller drive may be the way to go, it will save some money.

OK; pretty much your choice. The price difference isn't a lot. You just have to gauge how fast your total space requirements will grow. I'm guessing under 10 GB a year, which makes 500 GB pretty tough to justify.

I don't quite understand your question (Are you making an image of System Reserved as well as C?)
When I make a Macrium image I select C: and image that whole drive.

C isn't a drive.

It's a partition.

Maybe it's the only partition on the drive. Maybe it isn't.

Analogy with a carton of cigarettes:

The outer carton is the drive. The individual packs of cigarettes are partitions. The individual cigarettes are files and folders. You can have a carton with 1 huge pack or a bunch of smaller packs. The carton alone is pretty much useless.

Do you or don't you have a System Reserved partition?

If you do, it almost certainly contains your boot files and would be have to be imaged if you want to restore successfully.

If you don't, then your boot files are elsewhere, probably on the C partition. In which case, you would need to image C only.

So---you should post a screen shot of Windows Disk Management so we can see what's going on with the current installation---or at least look at Windows Disk Management yourself. If you have a System Reserved partition, it probably is flagged as "system" and "active". Yes or no?

You can certainly make ONE image file containing BOTH C and System Reserved. Maybe that's what you've been doing. I don't know. But you say "I select C", which makes me wonder.



If I understood partitioning and how program files were stored better, I would like to be able to partition just enough space on the primary drive for the Win7 OS, then have additional programs and data stored on the remainder of the primary.

That's rarely a good idea. You rarely would want to put programs and Windows on separate partitions---particularly in your situation where space is not an issue.

It MIGHT be a good idea to put Windows and all programs on C and all data on another partition on the same drive, but it's NOT necessary. It would make your C images smaller since C would have no data files. That's a slight advantage.

And if your C partition (Windows) became fouled up, you could restore just C and System Reserved, not data. That can be an advantage.

Imagine this situation:

September 1: you've got the SSD, with C and System Reserved. Your data is on C somewhere.

September 4: you make an image of C and System Reserved with Macrium.

September 6: you develop a bunch of new data--picture of your cat, whatever. Those pix are on C.

September 8: your Windows installation goes haywire, so you restore the Macrium image from September 4.

Guess what: the pictures of your cat are gone because they were not part of the image you made on Sept 4.

If the pictures had been on a separate data partition, then the restoration of the September 4 image would not have affected your data at all---because all you restored was Windows (C and System Reserved), not the data partition.

You can work around that problem if you had separate data backups made after September 6, which you certainly should have and which is why the separate data partition thing is not required. It's just convenient.


You don't want to make C "just right in size" and then find out 2 years later that it's too small and that can be tough to estimate. Windows grows over time, just through updates.




I could image the partition that had the OS on it separately and it would be like a fresh install if the OS went buggy.
But I don't understand enough about all this to be that crafty, so I just backup everything.

No problem IF IF IF IF you are backing up ALL ALL ALL partitions on that hard drive, not just C.





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08 Aug 2015   #32
N2Abyss

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Here's what Disc Management Shows:


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08 Aug 2015   #33
ignatzatsonic

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Quite a mess.

You don't have System Reserved, but your boot files are on "Drive 2" on disk 0

C is on disk 1.

An image of C alone will NOT restore Windows. It wouldn't boot.

If you disconnected disc 0, or it failed, you couldn't boot today.

So, the Macrium images you have been making, if they are of disk 1 or C, aren't doing you much good.

Thank your lucky stars that you have not had a drive failure. YET.

This probably happened because you had more than one drive connected the last time you install Windows.

It's fixable by using "EasyBCD", a free downloadable application. There is a tutorial on this site.

You need to get this sobered up pronto, before thinking about an SSD.

EasyBCD will copy your boot files from your "Drive 2" to C. When that's done and the C partition is marked "active" in Disk Management, you can then delete "Drive 2".

At that point, your disc 1, with only C, should boot with NO other drives connected. Until then, it won't.

It's not a complicated job.

Here's the tutorial:

Bootmgr - Move to C:\ with EasyBCD

Ask questions if confused. I've never used it, but many on this site have.
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08 Aug 2015   #34
ThrashZone

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Yep that ssd is on sell at the moment on Newegg,
Crucial MX200 CT500MX200SSD1 2.5" 500GB SATA 6Gbps (SATA III) Micron 16nm MLC NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Newegg.com

Promo code EMCAWAW24
I almost bought one too
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08 Aug 2015   #35
ignatzatsonic

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N2:

Couple of things to add:

You should make a Macrium image file of your "Drive 2" and store it with your other Macrium images----before fiddling with EasyBCD. If you do that, then I'd think you COULD restore Windows if you had to.

Secondly:

You need to copy Boot Manager to another DRIVE, not just to a different partition on the SAME DRIVE.

I just looked at the EasyBCD web site about that procedure. Here's what it says:

"If the partition which is to take over control of the boot is on a different HDD from the current boot partition, you will also need to change your BIOS to put the new drive before the old one in the boot sequence, otherwise the old (untouched) boot files will continue to be in control. This obviously does not apply if the two partitions share a HDD. The switch of the “active” status will do everything needed in that case."

So, you'll need to get into your BIOS to change the boot sequence after you use EasyBCD.

Here is their tutorial:

https://neosmart.net/wiki/easybcd/ba...oot-partition/
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08 Aug 2015   #36
N2Abyss

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08 Aug 2015   #37
ignatzatsonic

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I'm not sure that accomplished anything.

Note that C is still not marked as "system", just as it was before you used EasyBCD.

You'd need to get C marked as "system".

Maybe you did not operate EasyBCD correctly?

Maybe you need to go into your BIOS and change the boot sequence?

I'm not sure myself.

Did you see my post 35?

I'd make a Macrium image of your "Drive 2" partition.

You can forget about EasyBCD and this procedure IF:

1: You want to take a chance that your drive won't fail before you get the SSD installed.

or

2: The image I asked you to make of "Drive 2" will allow you to restore Windows if your drive fails at noon tomorrow. You'd restore both images: Drive 2 and C.
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08 Aug 2015   #38
N2Abyss

Windows 7 Home premium 64bit SP 1
 
 

Unfortunately I ran EasyBCD before imaging Drive 2, just tried to make image of drive2 but it's like nothing's there, it imaged almost instantly.
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08 Aug 2015   #39
ignatzatsonic

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It's tiny. I'd expect it to be very fast. A second or two at most.

Can you find it on whatever drive you saved it to??

If so, it likely was a success.

Can you boot with your Disc 0 containing "Drive 2" disconnected? I'd guess you cannot.
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08 Aug 2015   #40
N2Abyss

Windows 7 Home premium 64bit SP 1
 
 

I show two macrium files backed up, The C: @ 52.0 GB and the "Drive2 @ 11.6 MB.
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