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Windows 7: 3 TB Hard-Drive: Filesystem Unknown (RAW) after bad disconnection

17 Sep 2015   #11
Angar

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jumanji View Post
Now and then I will go missing. That is inevitable. We shall go slow. There is absolutely no need to hurry up things.
Couldn't agree more! (Same goes for me here anyway, given we're on totally different timezones...) Can't tell you how much I appreciate your patience with solving my problem!

I'm gonna post in a short while the screenshot you asked for of the 4 TB (via another external enclosure) in Partition Wizard. (Indeed the 4 TB is totally empty right now)
Although, since you mention it, I'm starting to think over the possibility of finding a desktop computer around (a neighbour's for instance) to connect both the 3 TB and 4 TB drives. Not sure I can find one immediately, but that may be worth a try...
Another alternative I'm thinking about is this: I have a total of 3 external enclosures for 3,5" drives + 2 more for 2,5" drives, and yet one more for everything (ie. it accepts both 2,5" and 3,5" SATA, as well as old ATA/IDE). That last polyvalent one started failing recently (couple of months ago) so I was thinking to replace it soon.
Do you believe it would be a good solution in the present situation to buy a recent external enclosure?
(If so, I'm of course open to your advised suggestions about what choice to make in the matter to ensure maximum safety and reliability, especially with my >2 TB drives)


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17 Sep 2015   #12
CKWD

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I can't plug it internally, as it's a 3.5" drive and all I have is a laptop these days (I'm pretty sure I'll go again for a desktop for my next PC purchase though!).
Apart from that, the reason I chose to plug it via external enclosure is simple: I have a total of 8 HDs like this one (most are 2 TB, plus this one 3 TB and a 4 TB), which would make it uneasy to plug them ALL internally anyway, right? Hehehe...
Also, all these are used as _storage_ devices only, the idea being to have them connected and working as little time as I can to ensure them as long a lifespan as possible (and hoping for a brighter future when a clever company would finally deliver the very first _long-lasting_ lifespan media to simple customers! )
In that case I would suggest you still finding a friend or colleague to give you access to his/her desktop to test the drive internally. You need to know if the drive could be successfully recognized in internal SATA connection.

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I hear you. Except the drive was never faulty in any way, until that sudden disconnection (which happened once before BTW, because of that hub -- at the time I didn't recognize it as a nasty side effect of the hub though -- fortunately not causing any damage that previous time). I'm still convinced the origin of it was that disconnection, let alone how weird it was: Windows didn't acknowledge it instantly, instead reporting some error about a missing path or whatever when I tried to access a folder, THEN only popping up the message that the drive was "successfully removed" (but not by me anyway!!).
Sometimes huge USB hubs could have that problem by the more USB devices being connected to them at the same time. Sometimes, it is a real risk, not always. That is why back ups are always advised. :/

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I already did plug it on another laptop (still externally then) under Windows XP, which reported the same issue. I can still try it under an old Ubuntu distri if you believe that is useful?
Yes, I would always believe that in such cases booting into Ubuntu/Linux Live CD could be helpful, as they have much simpler system and paths, in comparison to Windows. I advise it at this point.

Try all the tests you've been suggested here and post back!

Good luck!

CK_WD
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17 Sep 2015   #13
Angar

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As Jumanji requested, I'm now posting a screen capture of Partition Wizard with both my faulty 3 TB and my 4 TB connected each via external enclosure. As predicted, old enclosures can't seem to manage over 2 TB well and the one I have left for the 4 TB only makes 2 TB appear under Partition Wizard, damn! (Disk2 - Z:NEW2)
Of course same thing under Disk Management (Disque 1 - Z:NEW2). Now that settles it, as I definitely need to buy a new external enclosure to manage these correctly! If there are some particular specifications I should be looking for while making my choice, please be so kind as to tell me which ones...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CKWD View Post
In that case I would suggest you still finding a friend or colleague to give you access to his/her desktop to test the drive internally. You need to know if the drive could be successfully recognized in internal SATA connection.
I can do that, although the only slight problem is that it might be like over a week or even two at least before that can actually be done.

[QUOTE]Sometimes huge USB hubs could have that problem by the more USB devices being connected to them at the same time. Sometimes, it is a real risk, not always. That is why back ups are always advised. :/[QUOTE]Hehe, I would backup if I could, trust me! I would use some kind of RAID system, only I'm not rich enough to invest into enough to backup all my storage (like I said, I have now close to 15 TB of collected data -- mostly video and audio rushes, but not only) and I just can't double that space to have backup of everything...
What disppoints me about that hub I purchased is that the failure (sudden disconnection) of my enclosure happened while only that (self-powered) enclosure + another 2,5" enclosure (USB-powered that one) were connected to it (remember that the hub itself was self-powered with a 5V 2A power supply) and it happened like a couple hours into me using them! It doesn't make much sense to me -- but I won't do the mistake of using it ever again (fortunately, it's a very recent Amazon order, ie. I can still send it back for refund).

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Yes, I would always believe that in such cases booting into Ubuntu/Linux Live CD could be helpful, as they have much simpler system and paths, in comparison to Windows. I advise it at this point.

Try all the tests you've been suggested here and post back!
Duly noted then! I'm gonna try and connect the drive under Ubuntu Linux and see how it goes. I'll report back here later of course!

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Good luck!
Thank you, I'll sure need some.


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3 TB Hard-Drive: Filesystem Unknown (RAW) after bad disconnection-partitionwizard-withz-.jpg   3 TB Hard-Drive: Filesystem Unknown (RAW) after bad disconnection-windiskmanager-withz-.jpg  
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17 Sep 2015   #14
jumanji

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Is it your 4TB drive inside the enclosure?

Is your 4TB drive in factory-formatted condition?

If you formatted it, please give details of the machine on which you formatted it and how you formatted it.

I have seen the same pictures for your 3TB drives in post#1 (WDM) and post#3 (PW) and now it is the same for the 4TB drive.

Windows Disk Management shows both your 3TB and 4TB drives as one 3 TB drive and another 800GB drive.

Partition Wizard shows both your 3TB and 4TB drives as one GPT 2TB drive and one MBR 800 GB drive.

Though I had noticed it in your posts#1 and 3, I did not raise the issue since our priority is to recover the data and not to investigate this ( It is in all probability and propensity due to the incompatible enclosure) and I planned to raise this issue after a successful/unsucessful recovery.

Even now we can skip this investigation and get on to data recovery. ( But I will be keeping my fingers crossed because of the above facts. Let us see how it goes.)

I do believe you are capable of handling the software yourself and unlike TestDisk where one may go wrong and ruin everything, there is no such risk in using Partition Wizard. So I shall allow you handle it with your wisdom .

To be able to copy the GPT Partition on the 3TB external, you should make the GPT Partition on your 4TB external unallocated by deleteing that partition. Do this in PW with only your 4TB external connected so that you do not accidentally delete the partition in the 3TB external.

After this reboot your computer, connect both your 3TB and 4TB external drives and run Copy partition Wizard. Follow the prompts. Your 3TB drive GPT partition will be shown with the drive letter. Note down the Disk No.Your 4TB drive will show a 2TB unallocated.Note the disk No.

Copy Partition Wizard in left pane> Next > Select partition you would like to copy (the GPT partition on your 3TB disk no.) > Next >Where to create copy (select your 4TB disk no. unallocated space) > Next > Finish

Check operations pending in the left pane and click on Apply on top. When copy completes assign a drive letter to the copied partition in on your 4TB external.

Good Luck.

(Night calling to bed and shall be back after another 8-10 hours. You are on your own )
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17 Sep 2015   #15
Angar

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[EDIT]Just read Jumanji's last post after posting this, so I'm gonna edit it back later again to reply to him[/EDIT]

Alright, after an attempt to connect the drive under Linux (Ubuntu LiveCD), I'm sorry to report that the drive doesn't show up at all on the desktop as it should...

So my immediate alternatives are now:
- Proceed with the Partition copy using Partition Wizard (even though my 4 TB destination drive will only be recognised as a 2 TB)
- Wait until I could order a brand new external enclosure supporting over 2 TB drives (in which case, sorry to repeat, I'd love your advice on what specific kind of enclosure I should look for, otherwise I'll pretty much buy based on convenience instead of performance and reliability, which should be priorities!)
- Wait even more (couple of weeks is my guess) until I can internally plug both drives in someone's desktop PC case to proceed with the Partition copy.

I'm kinda ok with any of these, if you advise me one is the better for whatever reason. So once again, awaiting instructions... (^_-)
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17 Sep 2015   #16
jumanji

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I may not be competent to tell you which is the best third party enclosure or dock since I had never looked into that direction. I don't even have a 3TB drive much less an enclosure.

You may check this post by speedlever in eight forums Solved Win 8.1 x64 and raw file system on external USB drive - Page 3

You may also make a fresh and specific enquiry in this very forum on which would be the best enclosure in a new thread which may perhaps bring in those who have a knowledge on it.
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18 Sep 2015   #17
Angar

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jumanji View Post
I may not be competent to tell you which is the best third party enclosure or dock since I had never looked into that direction. I don't even have a 3TB drive much less an enclosure.

You may check this post by speedlever in eight forums Solved Win 8.1 x64 and raw file system on external USB drive - Page 3

You may also make a fresh and specific enquiry in this very forum on which would be the best enclosure in a new thread which may perhaps bring in those who have a knowledge on it.
Alright! Thank you for the advice! I'm gonna check the thread you gave and prolly will post another request about external enclosures soon here!

Now, I had to take care of some adminstrative issue last evening and this morning (which explains my replying kinda late), but I'm now free to proceed with the partition copy attempt. I'll report back once it's done!
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18 Sep 2015   #18
Angar

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Back with not so good news (albeit not too bad either I hope): Partition Copy failed with Partition Wizard.
Basically, Wizard tells me it cannot copy the partition due to insufficient size on destination!!? (Refer to the attached screenshot for detailed error)
Let me stress right away that I did everything by the book I believe:
- Following your instructions, I erased the existing partitions on destination 4 TB drive, so it appeared unallocated, 2048 GB free.
- I copied the O:2047,87 GB partition as source (and not the whole disk as it may also be possible?)
- I tried using both copy WITH resize and then WITHOUT, to no avail each time...

Now, might I have better luck with the alternative process using TestDisk?
Or if (hopefully!) the origin of the fail is due to either/both external enclosures, should I wait until I can grab one (or two?) recent and more reliable and efficient one(s)?
Or should I even wait until I have access to a desktop computer in order to plug both source and destination disks internally?
And final question, if in your opinion it may be that the reason for the Partition copy failing is NOT due to unreliable external enclosures, what else may it be?


NB: Waiting for your answers to these few questions, I'm gonna post next some more precise screenshots+explanations about both 3 TB and 4 TB drives, the external enclosures I use here and how they handle and format/manage these >2 TB drives


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18 Sep 2015   #19
Angar

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Here are first a few answers to previous questions of yours:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jumanji View Post
Is your 4TB drive in factory-formatted condition?
Nope, it wasn't (or didn't appear) formatted when I received it (not in NTFS anyway).
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If you formatted it, please give details of the machine on which you formatted it and how you formatted it.
To format it, I used my (very recently stopped functioning though) "Multi" enclosure (as in multi-plug support, since it supports 2,5" ATA/IDE + 3,5" ATA/IDE + SATA). Specifically it is this model.
(Paid it much less than the Amazon price though! ^^)

Once formatted, I ended up with 2 disks (upon detection by Windows) which you can see in the attached screenshots as Y:NEW1 and Z:NEW2 under PW and WDM.


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I have seen the same pictures for your 3TB drives in post#1 (WDM) and post#3 (PW) and now it is the same for the 4TB drive.
Windows Disk Management shows both your 3TB and 4TB drives as one 3 TB drive and another 800GB drive.
Partition Wizard shows both your 3TB and 4TB drives as one GPT 2TB drive and one MBR 800 GB drive.
I'll try to explicit and clarify things as much as I can here:
I recently used 3 different enclosures: the "Multi/Advance" I mentioned above, another we shall call "Single/Advance", and a last one (which is the worst of the bunch since I recovered it from an external Bufallo bulk enclosure+drive I had to crack open) we therefore shall call "Single/Bufallo".

When I plug the 3 TB via either the "Multi/Advance" or the "Single/Advance" I got the same result: it is recognized as comprised of 2 disks: one of 2 TB capacity and a second one of 800 GB.
When I plug that 3 TB using the "Single/Bufallo", only the first 2 TB disk is detected, it's like the second 800 GB doesn't exist (obviously because that specific enclosure was made to support 2 TB drives at most).

Same scenario with the 4 TB (only the capacity of the second disk changes): via either the "Multi/Advance" or the "Single/Advance", it is recognized as comprised of 2 disks: one of 2 TB capacity and a second one of 1,64 TB.
Once again, using the "Single/Bufallo", only the first 2 TB disk is detected, it's like the second 1,64 TB doesn't exist.


Now, I really can't say whether my >2 TB drives are truly made of 2 separate disks internally (the way they are detected by Windows), or if that is a fake/biased detection due to bad or partial support of capacity over 2 TB by my two Advance enclosures... ? Probably someone on this forum might know whether Green Western Digital >2 TB drives are made of a single disk or of one of 2 TB + another to achieve the remaining needed capacity for the drive. (And what of Western Digital 6 TB capacity drives then? Two 2 TB disks + one more for the rest? Starting to sound a bit much but for all I know...)


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3 TB Hard-Drive: Filesystem Unknown (RAW) after bad disconnection-diskmanager-non-partitioned4tbpluggedviaenclosuresingleadv.jpg   3 TB Hard-Drive: Filesystem Unknown (RAW) after bad disconnection-partitionwizard-non-partitioned4tbpluggedviaenclosuresingleadv.jpg   3 TB Hard-Drive: Filesystem Unknown (RAW) after bad disconnection-diskmanager-formatted4tbpluggedviaenclosuremultiadv.jpg   3 TB Hard-Drive: Filesystem Unknown (RAW) after bad disconnection-partitionwizard-formatted4tbpluggedviaenclosuremultiadv.jpg  
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18 Sep 2015   #20
jumanji

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Your Post No:18:

To me it appears that the partition has been copied though it may not be in the proper format.I see the 128MB at the end instead of in front. I can't guess how it could have happened.

I hope you have marked your 3TB external that contains the data and the 4TB external distinctively so that a mix-up does not occur.

Now keep your 3TB external having the data away beyond your hands reach.

Plug-in your 4TB external and post a screenshot of how it appears in PW.

Your post #19:

My head just twirls . I think anybody's will.

But I can say this much: All HDDs come out factory formatted so that these can be used straightaway by the user.

The 3TB and 4 TB Green internal drives would have mostly come out as GPT initialised.( I have to check this with CKWD.I know for certain that greater than 2TB external drives manufactured by Seagate, WD etc. were coming out as Advance Formatted MBR drives to make them compatible with Windows XP till recently.With Windows XP no longer supported by MS even these external drives have started coming out as GPT initialised drives)

If you had connected these 3TB and 4TB greens internally in Vista or 7 they would have shown their full capacity. There is no two drives inside. It all happened because you put those into incompatible enclosures.

Now I think it will be best to wait till you can connect them internally,

Till then we shall only be doing "research" to get the data out of this mess with whatever resources are available without harming the data on the original drive.We have already done some (research) because you said you won't be back in your Paris Den till Sunday. We are not modifying or writing anything into that data disk. But make sure that you don't keep changing the drives into the different enclosures.

Now don't forget to post the screenshot I asked for. I am more research-oriented.

Go ahead and buy some of the recent enclosures that can handle more than 2TB drives since you already have the drives.
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