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Windows 7: Harming the monitor?

13 Dec 2015   #11
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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How about having all lights in the house lit all the time, having the car(s) running all the time in idle, running any device that consumes power all the time - at least you will enjoy a hefty electricity bill.

I come from a country where energy costs 3 to 5 times as much as in the US so I am a bit sensitive to the matter. The energy prices in the US are very low so people will never learn to save. You can only get them by the pocket book.
I agree, leaving your computer on 24/7 is just plainly wasting money if you are not using it. Who leaves their TV on 24 hours a day if they are not watching it?.

Booting time for a computer with a SSD is about 30 seconds, from power on so surely the saving in time there is negligible.

Also any electrical appliance that is running unattended is a potential fire risk, so leaving it going while you are asleep in bed at night, has lethal potential.

I shut my computer down when I have finished using it & I turn off any power to it as well.
Different people have different needs, work flows, etc. Your situation isn't any more typical than mine is so you can't assume everyone's situation is going to be the same as yours (or mine). I've already stated why my computer needs to stay on 24/7, including the fact (and why) it takes one heck of a lot longer than 30 seconds to boot Win 7 despite having an excellent SSD.

Your statement about any electrical appliance that is running unattended being a potential fire risk is ludicrous. Do you also turn off and unplug your refrigerator, AC, furnace (even a gas, oil, or coal furnace uses electricity), computer router and/or modem, all night lights, fans, etc.? Do you unplug your microwave, stove (even gas stoves now draw electricity at all times), DVD or Blu-ray player, DVR, and other similar appliances that still draw current even though turned off? Do you not charge up your cell phone while your asleep for fear it might catch fire? Actually, that is more likely to happen (and has been known to happen) than a computer catching fire. For that matter, you should turn off your cell phone when not using it and keep it in a fire proof safe because the lithium ion batteries have been known to spontaneously combust.

If you use your computer briefly once or twice a day, yes, it definitely would make sense to turn it off after using it. However, not everyone uses their computer that way. There are people who use their computers for more than just checking their social media, email, and, maybe, forums. Day traders who work out of their homes need their computers running 24/7 (and have large numbers of monitors also running 24/7). For that matter, many others who work out of their homes need their computers for hours at a time, often half a day or more. Many people use their computers for distributed computing (look up Folding@Home or protein and gene folding if you don't know what distributed computing is). For various legitimate reasons, some people's only telephone connection is via VOIP and, unless they want to drop out of sight for much of the day, they need to keep their computers running 24/7. Many newer homes are now "connected" (the so-called Internet of Things) and that requires a computer running 24/7.

The point is neither you nor anyone else can dictate how long others should run their computers, especially when based on your or their own usage patterns.


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13 Dec 2015   #12
hazel m

Windows 7 Inspiron x 64
 
 

In all due respect, folks, we are not talking about the CPU. It stays on until I shut it down for the night. We are talking about the monitor - leaving it on all the time - until I shut down for the night. I cannot allow it to go into power-saving mode while ESET is scanning. I was getting conflicting answers about just setting it at never.

Screen savers (as someone mentioned) were great. I had them on my two previous computers but do not have any on this one. Instead I have a scene from a friend's home town which was sent to me. So the monitor sits there with that picture whenever I close what I'm working on until I open something else. The other way - setting it at a time - has it sometimes closing when I am sitting here reading a long article and not moving anything. I guess that inactivity makes it think - do robots think? - it is inactive.

A closing consideration is that my computer really is in action much of the day. I am seldom away from it more than five or ten minutes from the time I boot up of a morning and shut down late afternoon.

Thank you all for ideas.
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13 Dec 2015   #13
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hazel m View Post
In all due respect, folks, we are not talking about the CPU. It stays on until I shut it down for the night. We are talking about the monitor - leaving it on all the time - until I shut down for the night. I cannot allow it to go into power-saving mode while ESET is scanning. I was getting conflicting answers about just setting it at never.

Screen savers (as someone mentioned) were great. I had them on my two previous computers but do not have any on this one. Instead I have a scene from a friend's home town which was sent to me. So the monitor sits there with that picture whenever I close what I'm working on until I open something else. The other way - setting it at a time - has it sometimes closing when I am sitting here reading a long article and not moving anything. I guess that inactivity makes it think - do robots think? - it is inactive.

A closing consideration is that my computer really is in action much of the day. I am seldom away from it more than five or ten minutes from the time I boot up of a morning and shut down late afternoon.

Thank you all for ideas.
The picture you described sounds like a wallpaper—a background for the desktop—not a screensaver. A screensaver is a picture that changes or moves around so the monitor doesn't get burned in by a constant image. These date back to the CRT monitors which didn't take long to get an image burned into them. Modern LCDs are pretty much burn in proof but it's still possible for it to happen if given enough time.

To set up a basic screen saver, check out one of the tutorials here.
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13 Dec 2015   #14
hazel m

Windows 7 Inspiron x 64
 
 

Thank you for the lead. Yes, I meant to say I knew screen savers were constantly moving. Does that mean I'd have to get rid of my "wall paper" scene?
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13 Dec 2015   #15
Stevekir

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

I use my computerr about three or four time per day. I put it to sleep after every session, and shut it down at bed time. That helps the monitor and my energy bill, given my particular work pattern. If I expect a gap of more than about 6 hours, I shut it down as I leave it. My auto backup and other protective routines routines start the next ime the machine is restarted (and also when it is woken up, I think).
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13 Dec 2015   #16
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

If you want to prevent Burn-in on a monitor or to save electricity one way is as follows ...

Set the screensaver to "Blank Screen" , (this switches the monitor screen off so that it only consumes a minimum power, and does not have the ability to cause burn in.

If you set the automatic timer to a fairly long time, (EG 15 Minutes), it should not cause the screen to go off whilst reading a page.

When you decide t leave the computer simply press WIN+L which immediately locks the system and starts the screen saver, Although this will mean that if you have a password, this will need to be entered when you return to the computer, this extra security is a good thing as it stops little fingers, (work colleagues, spouses, & children), from messing things up
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13 Dec 2015   #17
maxseven

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 6.1 Build 7601 (SP1)
 
 

AFAICT you haven't said hazel m what model of monitor you use. There will be different responses whether CRT, LCD w/fluorescent backlight, or LCD with LED backlight. This last type MIGHT be left on with the PC, but the others definitely NOT. CRTs will suffer burn-in and wear-out, and fluorescent tubes will burn-out eventually along with using more energy both of themselves and by throwing heat into air-conditioned space.

LED backlit LCDs should last a very very long time, though I still would advocate for Power Save mode of some sort (and this does not mean wallpaper or a screensaver).
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13 Dec 2015   #18
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hazel m View Post
Thank you for the lead. Yes, I meant to say I knew screen savers were constantly moving. Does that mean I'd have to get rid of my "wall paper" scene?
Nope, you can have both. The screensaver starts up only after the computer has been idle for an amount of time you can specify. I personally haven't used a screen saver in years since I can turn off my monitors when I'm not using them but I understand that your situation is different.
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13 Dec 2015   #19
hazel m

Windows 7 Inspiron x 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hazel m View Post
Thank you for the lead. Yes, I meant to say I knew screen savers were constantly moving. Does that mean I'd have to get rid of my "wall paper" scene?
Nope, you can have both. The screensaver starts up only after the computer has been idle for an amount of time you can specify. I personally haven't used a screen saver in years since I can turn off my monitors when I'm not using them but I understand that your situation is different.
Right. I think this is exactly what I am asking if I can do. Set the power-saving mode activity at Never and turn off just the monitor (not the CPU) when I'll be away more than, say, fifteen minutes.

The problem (and not really a problem, given its work) is ESET. According to them - and my experience confirms this - ESET antivirus program wants a lot more power than some others. For example, it just did its scheduled weekly scan. I stayed totally away from the computer. (They recommend that nothing else be running and I not use the computer if I can avoid it.) The scan took exactly 29 minutes. Had something else been running or had the monitor shut off (gone into power-saving mode), the scan would have gone on and on and on until I interrupted it.

I realize that not many people (at least that I know) use ESET. Perhaps because of its initial cost but that is far less after the first year. And their service is - for me - the best. I'd willingly pay for just that. They are great. So, when I have to choose between two options, I'll choose ESET.

That is why I am looking for a way to keep ESET running during its scan and treat the monitor right at the same time. I think you are saying exactly what I'm wondering if I can do. Just set the monitor on Never and turn it off if I go to fix lunch (half an hour at most), take care of mail (USPS) or do some house-cleaning.

Thanks again. I do appreciate the discussion and learning opportunity.
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13 Dec 2015   #20
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

LF, If your PC takes a lot longer than 30 seconds booting from a SSD, then something is wrong and that should be separately investigated.
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