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Windows 7: Complete power failure when using video editors...?

11 Mar 2016   #11
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrMii Win 7 View Post
By 180 degrees I mean Fahrenheit. If it could reach that in Celsius before shutting down, I'd be amazed and wonder why Vegas made it get that hot in less than two minutes (356 F). Jokes aside, I'm only using the stock fans that my CPU and case came with. I would implement water cooling but that's a pain and I don't have the space in my case to put such a setup. And as far as I know, the CPU fan hasn't stopped spinning, even the moment before it kills the power. My only guess is that they can't spin fast enough to cool it down. Or...something... My mom says that I should clean out the fans, and although she's right, I think it goes beyond that.
Here's the thing. You need to check to see that your cooler is properly fastened to the CPU before you operate your computer any more. You could severely damage the CPU if the cooler is loose. It also wouldn't hurt to put new thermal paste on the CPU when you check the cooler.

You also need to clean those fans, and the cooler.

What is your CPU temp at idle? How fast is your CPU fan turning? Use something like HWInfo to find out, or better yet, take a screenshot of HWInfo so that we can see it, and give you better advice.


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11 Mar 2016   #12
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I think the first thing to understand is all computer temps are in Celsius around the world. No matter what country one is in.

100 F = 38 C which is very good.

180 F = 82 C which is to hot but with proper cooling can be lowered to proper working range.

Because of the limits of your case, I thinking a AIO water cooler would work well for you along with proper case fan arrangement for air flow.
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11 Mar 2016   #13
MrMii Win 7

Windows 7 Professional x64 (SP1)
 
 

My fans, with the exception of the side panel, are not controllable as they're 3 pin. Even with the side panel fan being connected directly to the PSU, I haven't found a way to control the speed of even that one. (Although I'm sure there are programs that can let you do that) They do seem to increase in speed as the temperature rises however, but that's probably a normal thing. I am (or at least before, I haven't tested it since I began crashing) able to render with my other, lower end editor. The last time I checked, the fans do not even increase their speed if I use that. But I did note in the original post that the program (VideoPad, not Vegas) was only sitting in the background when I crashed. I like this stuff, but then also hate it... Urgh...
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12 Mar 2016   #14
MrMii Win 7

Windows 7 Professional x64 (SP1)
 
 

I checked the CPU cooler and it's still firmly in place. The thermal paste is also still looking good. I also checked the orientation of my fans and as far as I can tell, they're all pointing in the right direction. (Only one had an indicator but when I did remove them, such as while building the PC, I made sure they went back on the same way they came) And as for idling temperature, the CPU idles around 90-105 Fahrenheit. (32.2-40.6 C) And in case these would help, I have some pictures of the current inside situation. The wires aren't behind my other side panel because most are too short, now especially with the 970 in there.


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12 Mar 2016   #15
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

I see a potential problem. The 12V CPU power line is possibly touching the CPU fan, and it may cause it not to spin properly. This may not be a problem when the case is upright, but I would still move the power cable to the side of the CPU fan assembly.

As for CPU cooling, a 36C idle temp is not outlandish for a cooler like that, but I would suggest that for video rendering that you consider a better cooler, such as a Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO, or even a small all-in-one water kit, like the Corsair H80i. Both would fit and offer superior cooling to what you have, because the cooler that you have now is not doing the job.
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12 Mar 2016   #16
MrMii Win 7

Windows 7 Professional x64 (SP1)
 
 

I've already spent no short of $900 on this machine in total, including stuff I've upgraded since building, so I'll likely go with the Hyper 212 Evo, since it's only $35. The other issue is whether my mom will let me spend more on it xD But you know, when you compare a $350 970 to a $35 cooler that will probably extend the lifespan of my system and save me from perilous potential data loss from sudden crashes while rendering, it's a considerable buy. (She's very VERY conscious of how I spend my money so yeah, I'll see how it plays out) If that cooler doesn't work out, I could try for the Corsair you mentioned, though I've always been uneasy about water cooling because of potential leaks...
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13 Mar 2016   #17
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

All in one water cooling systems are pretty leak proof these days, and even if they do leak, the coolant isn't water. It's non-conductive. You still have to clean everything, but it doesn't short out the electronic components. So I'm told...

The Hyper 212 EVO is a good buy and works well to keep your CPU cool. Almost anything will be an improvement at this point. Just make sure to apply new thermal paste when you pop the new cooler on. And get some good thermal paste, like Arctic Silver. Your processor runs hot (most AMD FX series chips do) and everything you can do to cool it will help.
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13 Mar 2016   #18
MrMii Win 7

Windows 7 Professional x64 (SP1)
 
 

I looked up reviews and installs of the Evo and thinking that it might not fit in the case. Are there popular ones (with good reviews obviously) that just go on top of the CPU like the stock one that's currently installed? Or is that the reason why it doesn't cool well?
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13 Mar 2016   #19
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
MrMii Win 7 do you mean 180+ degrees Celsius?
Jack, I would assume, (and Hope), that these are Fahrenheit temperatures 180 F is seriously hot 180 C is an oven Temperature - useful for steaks but not so for a PC

Another option could of course be a sensor issue, but the cut off happening would tend to exclude this
Nigel, that was worth a good laugh. You made my day.
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17 Mar 2016   #20
MrMii Win 7

Windows 7 Professional x64 (SP1)
 
 

Any recommendation for a CPU cleaner? Or should I just put the new thermal paste right on? (Note that I haven't bought anything yet but will tomorrow) Or is there such a thing as a cleaner besides like, a tissue...?
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