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Windows 7: Can an SSD be securely deleted of data?

19 Mar 2016   #11
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
...Does one remove the ram to save it for a later date? Heck no, use it if you got it...
Unless you are referring to removing RAM to preserve data, then yes, probably no; it wouldn't be especially reliable for that, if at all. However, people do remove RAM and save it for a later date. For example, I removed the 4GB RAM in one of my notebooks and replaced it with 8GB. I kept the old RAM so I could get quickly get the computer up and running again should the new RAM ever fail.


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19 Mar 2016   #12
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OvenMaster View Post
And this is one reason why I refuse to buy an SSD. At least with a spinner I can erase everything and know it's gone.
Who cares, what do you keep Government secrets on your drive ? That is the lamest excuse ever not to get an ssd.

And no, you can`t erase everything on a spinner, whoever told you that ?

The only way to get rid of data off a spinner is to drill 1/2" holes threw in then throw it in 500 feet of Ocean
More fallacy. You can get rid of data on a spinner by overwriting it with ones and zeroes. In the past, it took multiple passes to ensure the data was unrecoverable but, with today's denser drives, a single pass is all it takes.
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19 Mar 2016   #13
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Lady you missed my point. My point wasn't the fact that one can put hardware on the shelf for emergencies in case something fails. I have backup ssd's and other hardware doing nothing just in case I will need them.

Ram is wrote to and cleaned many many times and yet still lives for years. In my opinion ssd's will last for years also if one just treats them in a normal fashion like they would a hard drive with few exceptions. I have also defragged a ssd just to see what would happen. In my case what I found out was not much.
It didn't hurt anything but it also didn't help. Ssd's work so fast as they are a defrag was useless. Windows 7 has no problem finding things on a ssd no matter how they are located.
Today's high quality ssd's are plain and simple great things in my opinion.

Every now and then I boot my one and only hard drive with a Clone installed just to remind me of the speed difference. Then I remember back when I had a old HP Work Station with dual Xeons. It was very quick for it's day but the hard drive sounded like some one mowing a gravel driveway. It still worked as it should, they were just noisy way back when. Things just keep getting better.
Ssd's are amazing. Ssd's have got over their growing stages and have become the new standard. Another plus is the prices keep going down while new technology are added to them.
The day will come when people will just pop in a ssd and do all their backup's and think nothing of it. They will look at hard drives like I look back on my old HP Work Station. It was great in it's day. It now lies in the computer happy hunting ground.
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19 Mar 2016   #14
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Lady you missed my point. My point wasn't the fact that one can put hardware on the shelf for emergencies in case something fails. I have backup ssd's and other hardware doing nothing just in case I will need them...
I didn't totally miss the point which is why I couched my response.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
...Ram is wrote to and cleaned many many times and yet still lives for years. In my opinion ssd's will last for years also if one just treats them in a normal fashion like they would a hard drive with few exceptions. I have also defragged a ssd just to see what would happen. In my case what I found out was not much.
It didn't hurt anything but it also didn't help. Ssd's work so fast as they are a defrag was useless...
RAM and SSDs are not the same thing. RAM doesn't have a finite write life whereas SSDs do, though SSDs write life is now much higher than most people will ever have to worry about. However, it's so simple to minimize the number of writes to an SSD, there is no point in not doing do. One example is to not frequently defrag SSDs. Defragging does use up some of the finite number of writes available to an SSD. While it is a myth that SSDs will never ever need defragging, they will not need anywhere remotely as close as many times as an HDD will. SSDs are far better than HDDs at handling fragmentation but even they will eventually reach a point where they will slow down or have other problems. Once every year or two, maybe even three for one lightly used, would be plenty. For example, I defragged the SSD in my desktop machine, which runs 24/7, after a little over two years of operation. I seemed to be a bit snappier after that. My notebooks, on the other hand, get used only when I go on a trip (I only take one with me; the other two are spares). I don't even bother to fire them up and update them until about a week before I leave. I doubt I will ever defrag those SSDs...ever.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
...Today's high quality ssd's are plain and simple great things in my opinion...
No argument there!

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...Another plus is the prices keep going down while new technology are added to them.
The day will come when people will just pop in a ssd and do all their backup's and think nothing of it. They will look at hard drives like I look back on my old HP Work Station. It was great in it's day. It now lies in the computer happy hunting ground.
That day is not all that far away. Many people are already using machines with nothing but SSDs in them. My notebooks don't have a need for a lot of storage so the single 500GB SSDs I have in them is sufficient for my needs. 1TB SSDs are now available for the same price I paid for the first 500GB SSD I got. Even 2TB SSDs are now available for less than an arm and a leg. I eagerly awaiting the 4TB SSDs that Samsung will be releasing in a few months. Once the initial price goes down a bit, I'm going to be all over them like fleas on a stray dog. I'm hoping I will never need to buy another HDD again, ever.
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19 Mar 2016   #15
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by maxseven View Post
Anyone interested in this subject (especially the paranoid) needs to know about PrivaZer, which not only will clean your drives (even RAM!) of personal data (in all sorts of hidden places I never knew about before) but also has multiple options for how erasures are done, from simple "1-pass zeros" to OMG "6 pass USA Army 380-19" (dunno what it is, sounds good doesn't it).

It is donation-ware i.e. can be free if you're cheap (I am not!).
Inexperienced users need to be careful with PrivaZer as going ahead and running a full clean without understanding configuration can cause issues that are hard to resolve. See:

PrivaZer PC cleaner
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20 Mar 2016   #16
maxseven

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 6.1 Build 7601 (SP1)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by maxseven View Post
Anyone interested in this subject (especially the paranoid) needs to know about PrivaZer, which not only will clean your drives (even RAM!) of personal data (in all sorts of hidden places I never knew about before) but also has multiple options for how erasures are done, from simple "1-pass zeros" to OMG "6 pass USA Army 380-19" (dunno what it is, sounds good doesn't it).

It is donation-ware i.e. can be free if you're cheap (I am not!).
Inexperienced users need to be careful with PrivaZer as going ahead and running a full clean without understanding configuration can cause issues that are hard to resolve. See:

PrivaZer PC cleaner
Thanks for the link and the write-up. Although I too use CCleaner as my day-to-day cleaning tool, and only occasionally use PrivaZer (with selected options), I have never had any problems with it, but agree it is a very advanced utility that is not for average users.

The full monty would be used by the most paranoid, or by those who were e.g. selling their PCs or giving them to family members i.e. otherwise intact with programs and etc.
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20 Mar 2016   #17
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by maxseven View Post
I too use CCleaner as my day-to-day cleaning tool, and only occasionally use PrivaZer (with selected options), I have never had any problems with it, but agree it is a very advanced utility that is not for average users.

The full monty would be used by the most paranoid, or by those who were e.g. selling their PCs or giving them to family members i.e. otherwise intact with programs and etc.
I use it on a regular basis too and without any problems but any time PrivaZer gets a mention - other members are tempted to try it and run a full cleanup without configuring settings then wonder why they've lost their folder view settings, jumplists and so on.
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