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Windows 7: BROADWELL E is Around the Corner and I am Concerned

11 May 2016   #101
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Yea I reloaded Vista a couple weeks ago and it's a good os
I wasn't on it very long way back in 2009 before I got a free Acer win-7 upgrade disk and loaded it
But it is pretty good
I made a system image of it after I reloaded it in case I ever needed to restore it


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11 May 2016   #102
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Keyloggers and more keyloggers.

For years many companies and hackers have been trying to use them on the masses.
Install them on as many computers as possible trying to steal things.

For as many years we have been able to stop the keylogger programs with security programs.

My questions:
Does W-10 key log for sure?
How do we stop W-10 from key logging?
Just because Microsoft has made their new operating to include key logging doesn't make a key logger program a good thing. To me it's still a unwanted bad thing.

As far as my thoughts of BroadWell-E. Like anybody really cares.

I think I will just wait and see what else Intel comes up with.
I would like Intel to do things the old school way.

Keep creating new inventive CPU's and SSD's with no strings attached.
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11 May 2016   #103
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Keyloggers and more keyloggers.

For years many companies and hackers have been trying to use them on the masses.
Install them on as many computers as possible trying to steal things.

For as many years we have been able to stop the keylogger programs with security programs.

My questions:
Does W-10 key log for sure?
How do we stop W-10 from key logging?
Just because Microsoft has made their new operating to include key logging doesn't make a key logger program a good thing. To me it's still a unwanted bad thing.
For Windows Insiders and the Win 10 preview, there definitely was a keylogger installed. For the consumer, there still is but it isn't quite as draconian and there are some options to leesen its impact. The sad part is MS, in a rare display of honesty (even though it was only to cover their collective backsides), states so in the TOS one has to agree to before installing Win 10 so your only real options are to activate Win 10 or don't activate it, essentially telling MS to shove it, you will go elsewhere.
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11 May 2016   #104
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Yea I reloaded Vista a couple weeks ago and it's a good os
I wasn't on it very long way back in 2009 before I got a free Acer win-7 upgrade disk and loaded it
But it is pretty good
I made a system image of it after I reloaded it in case I ever needed to restore it
I'll have to say I like it better than 7 and I'll hate to see it go however I would be happy to run 7. Now if I wanted to install windows I would install 7 due to the lack of support for Vista.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
How do we stop W-10 from key logging?
I'm not sure how we would know of or stop keylogging done at the OS level.
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11 May 2016   #105
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I understand to some degree with a free version of W-10 Microsoft can dictate and get away with it.

With the paid for version of W-10 I do wonder if Microsoft will be able to get away with such spyware that comes with the operating system.
Then again, most people won't even know what comes with their new computer and operating system. Most of the Tom and Jane buyers don't ever know what a keylogger program is.
That is exactly what Microsoft is banking on.

My understanding is the Enterprise edition has a option to turn off the keylogger.
To me that means that people with proper knowledge don't want and will not put up with a keylogger program, no matter who is trying to use it.

This is just my understanding and opinion.
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11 May 2016   #106
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit
 
 

I don't see how free versus paid would impact things. Most people are either going to get it as a 7 upgrade or pre-installed and therefore not have to pay anything out of pocket anyway. How can you say that it is alright for them to use keylogging just because they gave it away? To me that's not the only reason for me to stay away from it. I've read about them having the ability to uninstall programs and turn on your webcam. It's obviously tracking what users do according to an article Shawn posted. All of this is very bold of them but if it is in the EULA and people accept the terms then the end user doesn't really have any choice but to accept it or get another OS.
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11 May 2016   #107
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Please read my post again.

I did not post that it is okay for Microsoft to use a key logger.
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11 May 2016   #108
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit
 
 

But you did differentiate between paid and non-paid in your post. I'm not sure why so can you explain?
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11 May 2016   #109
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I'm thinking the attitude of Microsoft with free W-10 is; they can do what they want because it's free. The question might be; does one have the right to complain if they are not paying for it. Each will have their own opinion.

Kind of like.
Should one complain about the greens on a golf course if they are playing for free.
Whether that is a good or bad idea is up to opinions.

If I personally had control, I would have Microsoft put their best foot forward in a friendly way and see if people liked my product enough to buy it.

Microsoft sold over a Billion Windows 7, maybe more without playing silly games with customers.

Example would be the term Free. Sounds great until one reads the fine print.
W-10 is free for the first 30 days. If you decide to use it longer it will cost you one of your Windows 7 or 8 COA keys. Now the free part is gone. It cost you a COA key which wasn't free.

Microsoft seem to think that is okay because one took advantage of the free offer.
I'm not saying Microsoft's attitude and methods are wrong for the world, they are just wrong for me.

I tried W-10 free and decided it wasn't for me. I got rid of W-10 before the 30 days was up.
I will continue to watch how people adjust to the SOLD version of W-10 and how Microsoft adjust their new operating system to the markets need and wants.

I will be monitoring the good, bad and ugly and decide if I will buy it or not.
We still have the choice to buy or not to buy when the retail versions hit the market.
I, myself, and me will just wait and see how thing go with W-10. Just like I did with moving from XP to Windows 7. I must admit after learning how well Windows 7 worked for so many the move from XP to Windows 7 was a no brainier.

Simple; the free W-10 was a marketing ploy that many fell for.

I'm not a W-10 hater.
I'm not a Windows 7 lover.
They are just both operating system that I do or do not choose to use.
I have tried many Linux and haven't found one I liked or would work properly for me.

If a moderator thinks my post is out of place please just move it to a proper place if their is one for such a post.

This post is just my thoughts and opinions.
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11 May 2016   #110
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Quote:
That's kindasorta like saying you have to touch the stove for yourself to see if it will burn you after many people have already told you it will burn you. I can understand your view, though, considering all the controversy over Win 10.
Not really Jeannie I did try it last year when it was released and when I saw the apps/panel/tiled look I felt really disappointed because to me it was just a rehash of that shambolic 8, and one of the two machines I did try it on dropped it's bundle almost immediately. So I took off the 10 from both machines because of that and all the controversy around privacy which was my biggest beef and even now I am still unsure of that issue.

I don't know if you have seen some of the stuff I have posted in here re 10 since then but I have copped a lot of flak and was even openly berated for my views on the system - quite rudely as it was, although some members (most I know quite well) were understanding and stated that my concerns were in deed not unreasonable.

Anyway time goes on and watching what was going on re the development of the system that I personally think was released far to early and was full of bugs and that some things had been ironed out a little I thought it was time to try it again.

So now I have two laptops in dual boot mode - on clones of the original drive of the 7 OS and one I run in Classic Shell the other I run in the default GUI. I have to say that the privacy issue is still not sitting with me well and so I am just using the 10 OS for forum and general program work - no personal data or emails are on either machine. Now apart from how they are set up I find the system not that bad as long as I get rid of most of the annoying app panels at Start up and have just kept Control Panel, This PC (Computer) and command prompt etc stuck there anything else goes on the taskbar so it uncluttered.

The settings I have set to what I want and I do keep checking back to make sure that some update has not changed them back again - the update issue is of course non negotiable, and I do find a sneaky way of M$ getting into your machine. For me this is the best way of me finding out just what the system is about though I do still use 7 as my main OS. I don't use Edge as my default browser because I am not overly keen on it and have stuck to Chrome. Just a couple of other things I do not like is Cortana and also anything cloud based if I can help it as I do like to keep my data on my own drives and hopefully out of the reach of anyone who should try to access it.

All in all it seems to be a 100% better than when it first came out and is genuinely faster to run but as I said I am just trying it out and am not abandoning 7 at all and if the dual boots can be run as I think they should be then I shall keep them as is until I have proof that I am being watched then it is just a matter of flipping the original drives back in and carrying on with just 7 though with the announcement re Outlook and the forthcoming demise of WLM I now also have Thunderbird as my alternate mail because that is one feature (WLM) I do object to losing.

Lastly I do have Linux Mint set up on another drive for the old Toshiba and if worst comes to the worst then I can use that though it now has started to have security problems
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