BROADWELL E is Around the Corner and I am Concerned

So by full support you mean security updates, hardware support, & non-security updates? if so then updates went out the window last year. As for hardware Microsoft is not responsible for making that determination either. If intel decides that they don't want to publish new drivers for 7 anymore then that's their call and Microsoft can't make them continue their support. To me the most important aspect of what you call full support are the security fixes and those are continued until 2020. Second is AV software which we are also good on considering all of the vendors. After that is third party software which is also something M$ can't control. I agree with you on Windows 10 however we can't discount 7 yet. It still has some life left in it IMO. People like us might not want to have anything to do with M$ if they continue with their policies however that doesn't mean that we have to abandon them yet.

With MS' recent history of withdrawing support retroactively, I've decided against getting Broadwell-e and just get Haswell-e, if I can ever lay my hands on the MOBO I want (Asus X99-E WS/USB 3.1; curse Asus for not manufacturing enough of them!). When Sandybridge-e came out, which only supported PCI-e 2.0, most MOBOs for it were PCI-e 3.0 ready so upgrading to Ivybridge-e was a significant upgrade for most people.

From what I've been reading, the only thing one can gain from Broadwell-e over Haswell-e is more cores, which I do not need. Since MS (along with Intel) has already established a precedence for withholding full security update support for new CPUs unless people upgraded to Win 10 before the EOL of their current OS after people had already purchased the CPU and because I don't need more cores (I could do well with four cores instead of six if it wasn't for the reduction in PCI-e lanes), I afraid to get Broadwell-e when it comes out (unless, maybe, a better MOBO comes out with it).

Townsbg I'm with you all the way in this. I'm a Windows 7 diehard and I will continue to use it for as long as I possibly can. I certainly appreciate your optimism. Yes indeed it is people like us who will be among the last to drop our Windows 7 in lieu of the dubious tablet operating systems that seem to be all that Microsoft ever makes these days. I suppose one day desktops will also go the way of the dinosaur but I'm an old fashioned kind of guy and I'm pretty stubborn too. My four year old is currently enjoying animal videos on the internet as I type this and I can't help but to wonder how long her Win XP will hold out for her before I have to explain to her why she will need something different. So far, so good. That said, I am still convinced that the time to learn Linux has come because I don't see Microsoft changing any time soon and I don't feel like signing off my personal information to their meta data storage archives for a "free" o/s either. IF only they would develop a no-nonsense O/S much like Linux Mint and relinquish all the window dressing and ad-ware ... and spyware... and what could easily be regarded by some as malware (let alone the nagware) and keep it practical I would consider forking out a couple hundred bux for a real operating system. Hey, they could even call it Windows 9! Alas, I don't see it happening. I'm quite sure the big boys on the board saw the kind of numbers Mr. Zuckerberg is bringing in and indubitably they want a considerable piece of the action. Of course, in nowise do I imply that Microsoft is selling people's personal information... Yet.

"From what I've been reading, the only thing one can gain from Broadwell-e over Haswell-e is more cores, which I do not need."

Lady Fitzgerald

Are you sure Haswell will give you all the bandwidth you need? Somehow I get the impression that you are prone to using applications that involve a good deal of graphics rendering. (Not sure how I got that impression.) I'm sorry to see you lost faith in the Broadwell E option but I respect your reasons. In fact, many of those reasons were why I opted for the Sabertooth (Z series) originally. I don't really regret my choice but it simply wasn't enough for me. I like options - lots of options. The E WS fits the bill for me in so many ways... Work Station, family server, media center and even a little gaming on the side. So far nothing is written in stone for me until after Computex. At this rate it's starting to look my next build won't be until fall after all. I'm sort of enjoying a sentimental walk down memory lane with this old x58 and I'm finding the nostalgia rather pleasant experience. Admittedly the young wife's Sabertooth rig (once upon a time my own mobo) is a good deal faster so I guess there's something to be said for Haswell as well. But I'm using an old Seagate Kiunk Drive and she's got Hyper X SSDs and 16 Gb of RAM running in RAID 0 so any comparison would be foolish. When I get some time I'll post some pix of her Pink Army Boot get up.

SCANNERMAN777 said:

"From what I've been reading, the only thing one can gain from Broadwell-e over Haswell-e is more cores, which I do not need."

Lady Fitzgerald

Are you sure Haswell will give you all the bandwidth you need? Somehow I get the impression that you are prone to using applications that involve a good deal of graphics rendering. (Not sure how I got that impression.) I'm sorry to see you lost faith in the Broadwell E option but I respect your reasons. In fact, many of those reasons were why I opted for the Sabertooth originally. I don't really regret my choice but it simply wasn't enough for me. I like options - lots of options. The E WS fits the bill for me in so many ways... Work Station, family server, media center and even a little gaming on the side. So far nothing is written in stone for me until after Computex. At this rate it's starting to look my next build won't be until fall. I'm sort of enjoying a sentimental walk down memory lane with this old x58 and I'm finding the nostalgia rather pleasant experience. Admittedly the young wife's Sabertooth rig (once upon a time my own mobo) is a good deal faster so I guess there's something to be said for Haswell as well. But I'm using an old Seagate Kiunk Drive and she's got Hyper X SSDs and 16 Gb of RAM running in RAID 0 so any comparison would be foolish. When I get some time I'll post some pix of her Pink Army Boot get up.

Heck, six cores on Sandybridge-e gives me all the bandwidth I need. The biggest attraction of the Asus X99-E WS/USB 3.1 is 12 SATA ports (14 if the two e-SATA ports on the rear aren't shared with two of the SATA ports, USB 3.1 (Gen 2) , more USB 3.0 (technically, it's called USB 3.1 Gen 1 now) and, effectively, 64 PCI-e lanes (x16, x8, x8, x8. x8, x8, x8) providing plenty of room for future expansion, such as add on cards for more USB ports, Thunderbolt (if that ever gets off the ground and the prices gets out of the clouds), more SATA ports (if I wind up using SATA Express ports for front panel USB 3.1 Gen 2), whatever new technology that comes down the pike, etc.

ICIT I completely respect your right to use the Keylogger edition if that is what makes you happy.

Well I am not real sure what the keylogger is except for it simple definition and as it turns out from this either one could have a keylogger Windows 10 Home vs Pro: What's the difference? - Feature - PC Advisor Now I am also guessing that keylogging is and has been going on for such a long time now and I saw recently that Google and Apple have been doing this for years. I think that we have to come to realise that sooner or later the whole world of computing is going to be ruled by those who put these systems out. Again I read recently that Linux is now under attack form malware where once we were given to believe it was so safe.

Both my main laptops are now dual boots - one turns out to be the Home version and the other the Pro because of what was installed on them at manufacture (both were bought as downgrades) and I have disabled just about everything that I feel my privacy would be compromised in both and I am not using any email in either. The version I am using to experiment with seem to be a lot better in terms of user friendly than the first OS to be released and also I run one in default GUI and one in the Classic Shell which I ma finding is not all that necessary.


Having said that I am still a 7 person (and will be for as long as it stays viable) as I still think it is the easiest GUI/system to use and I have long been opposed to what they are doing but am coming to realise that without trying new systems out first it simply does not make sense to poo poo any new system. In any case we are all so divided over what security we like to use when it is my firm belief that no security software is totally infallible and if they can break into governmental systems at will then what chance us. I am not say I am just lying down and giving up more that I am willing now to try and see what eventuates.

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...Having said that I am still a 7 person (and will be for as long as it stays viable) as I still think it is the easiest GUI/system to use and I have long been opposed to what they are doing but am coming to realise that without trying new systems out first it simply does not make sense to poo poo any new system...

That's kindasorta like saying you have to touch the stove for yourself to see if it will burn you after many people have already told you it will burn you. I can understand your view, though, considering all the controversy over Win 10.

I'm concerned that what is going on with Vista will eventually start happening with 7. There is already a lack of hardware/driver support for new systems--it is even worse for Vista. Some third party software developers have already stopped supporting Vista including AV software. M$ apparently doesn't care about users updating Vista--there is an ongoing thread about users having trouble checking for and installing updates--since about when 10 came out. The M$ website (as well as others) don't support the newest version of IE on Vista. The list is building and it has become harder to use it yet there is still a year of security updates. When will all this start happening for 7? Any speculations? Might it happen sooner with 7? Vista is 3 versions behind so perhaps when another version comes out things will get worse for 7 users? We still have 4 years of support from Microsoft left however we might not have that long for everything else.