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Windows 7: Can I update to a 1.5 TB internal HDD on a 6 year old Dell xps9000

6 Days Ago   #11
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Never use a SSD for boot drive.

Well that caught me with my nickers down.
I never thought I would see a post like that.

Yes, yes, yes use a SSD for the boot drive.
The speed of a SSD is not really needed for a Data drive or for backup images
Myself I use SSD for Windows 7 drive and for my backups and clones.

I'm not really understanding all the fear some have of SSD's.

SSD's work very good and fast. Just like they were designed.
In the last few years the quality or SSD's is as good as any other hardware.

Jack


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6 Days Ago   #12
Itaregid

Windows 10 Professional 64-bit
 
 

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I never thought I would see a post like that.
Me either - especially from one claiming advanced expertise.

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I'm not really understanding all the fear some have of SSD's.
I can only assume it is out of ignorance. That is not meant as a criticism of the person, just their lack of research or unwilling to accept the "current" facts and truth about the state of the art.

Years ago when the first generation SSDs first hit the general consumer market, there was some justification for not using SSDs for the OS because of the limited write limitations they suffered from. The sad part there is two fold. First, those limitations, while true, were greatly exaggerated. The fact was, it would take many years for those limits to be reached under "normal" use. But that fact was often ignored. Second, recent generations do not suffer from those limitations yet folks neglect to accept that. They believe what once was, still is and always will be. That is just silly when it comes to advanced high-tech technologies.

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In the last few years the quality or SSD's is as good as any other hardware.
And even significantly more so than hardware that has moving parts.
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6 Days Ago   #13
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Exactly, that`s what images are for, and you are not supposed to be storing data on C anyway.
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6 Days Ago   #14
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Itaregid View Post
...Second, recent generations do not suffer from those limitations...
Oh, they still have write limitations; some can go only as high as a Petabyte or so. Samsung warranties their 850 EVOs and Pros for no more than 150TB (which doesn't mean they will drop dead at one Byte past it; ironically, it was an earlier Samsung SSD that lasted longer than any others in a recent torture test). But, then again who the heck will put 150TB of writes on an SSD before replacing it with newer technology? Not many.

And it is people who are counting getting either a warning before a drive fails and/or expect to be able to recover data from a failed drive who have heard that SSDs pretty much always fail without warning and any hope of data recovery who are afraid of SSDs. Trying to convince them they need to back up their data is like pulling teeth with tweezers.
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6 Days Ago   #15
Itaregid

Windows 10 Professional 64-bit
 
 

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Oh, they still have write limitations
True, nothing lasts forever. But it is highly unlikely any home user will reach those limits with a current generation SSD. And I note EVERY hard drive WILL fail too - eventually. Some sooner than later.
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Trying to convince them they need to back up their data is like pulling teeth with tweezers.
lol That said, is there a good way to pull a tooth!

I don't know what it is about backups. I call it the teenager syndrome. The attitude of, "it won't happen to me". I don't know of anybody who doesn't know they should have a viable backup plan. They just keep putting it off or don't think about it, until it is too late.

And as I noted above, you have to have several layers. I tell all my clients to keep one backup off-site. Most don't. I had one who used external drives and backed up his PC and the wife's notebook every week. I told him to have an off-site back up too. If he didn't trust "the cloud" (and I still don't), to keep a copy at a trusted neighbors, or even his bank safe deposit box. He didn't. Then his house was broken into and they took his big screen TV and home theater sound system, his computer, her notebook, and the two external drives they used for backups he kept on his desk next to his computer. People don't think about "physical" security either.

Most of my private clients are seniors. I set them up with a password safe but keep finding their passwords written down on an index card under their keyboard or in a notebook in their desk drawer. I tell them a badguy is going to look around arm's length from their computer chair. But "it won't happen to me!"
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6 Days Ago   #16
Itaregid

Windows 10 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM
and you are not supposed to be storing data on C anyway.
Sure you can. The truth is, the vast majority of the 1.5 Billion Windows computers out there only have one drive with one partition and it works just fine.

A second drive is something extra most don't have, or need for that matter. You still need to keep backups. In reality, if you have two drives, you have twice the chance for a drive failure!
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6 Days Ago   #17
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I have a simple system.

About once a week I make clones and images on separate SSD's. Tuck them away.
I use SSD hot-swap bays. It's a very handy way to do backups SSD to SSD. About 6 to 8 minutes and I'm done.
I still have no faith in cloud storage that someone else is in control of the security.
Then again I don't have anything on my computers worth stealing but the thieves don't know that.
**I use the Intel Toolbox about once a week to check the health of my Intel SSD's.


Jack
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6 Days Ago   #18
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jack3 View Post
i would NEVER have or use an SSD as main boot drive if it fails your never get it back (realistically no one will ever get the data back)
They would if they were smart enough to backup/image regularly.
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6 Days Ago   #19
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Itaregid View Post
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Oh, they still have write limitations
True, nothing lasts forever. But it is highly unlikely any home user will reach those limits with a current generation SSD. And I note EVERY hard drive WILL fail too - eventually. Some sooner than later.
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Trying to convince them they need to back up their data is like pulling teeth with tweezers.
lol That said, is there a good way to pull a tooth!

I don't know what it is about backups. I call it the teenager syndrome. The attitude of, "it won't happen to me". I don't know of anybody who doesn't know they should have a viable backup plan. They just keep putting it off or don't think about it, until it is too late.

And as I noted above, you have to have several layers. I tell all my clients to keep one backup off-site. Most don't. I had one who used external drives and backed up his PC and the wife's notebook every week. I told him to have an off-site back up too. If he didn't trust "the cloud" (and I still don't), to keep a copy at a trusted neighbors, or even his bank safe deposit box. He didn't. Then his house was broken into and they took his big screen TV and home theater sound system, his computer, her notebook, and the two external drives they used for backups he kept on his desk next to his computer. People don't think about "physical" security either.

Most of my private clients are seniors. I set them up with a password safe but keep finding their passwords written down on an index card under their keyboard or in a notebook in their desk drawer. I tell them a badguy is going to look around arm's length from their computer chair. But "it won't happen to me!"
Lessee... I have a set four backup drives for every data drive in my desktop computer. Two of each set are kept at home and the other two are in my safe-deposit box in the vault at my credit union. I swap them out with each other at least once a month; more if I dump a lot of new or changed data onto one of my data drives. I also have a Carbonite.com account to cover any files that get changed or added to my computer after I placed the HDDs in my safe-deposit box. Think that is enough? Oh btw, I'm a senior citizen.
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6 Days Ago   #20
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Itaregid View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM
and you are not supposed to be storing data on C anyway.
Sure you can. The truth is, the vast majority of the 1.5 Billion Windows computers out there only have one drive with one partition and it works just fine.

A second drive is something extra most don't have, or need for that matter. You still need to keep backups. In reality, if you have two drives, you have twice the chance for a drive failure!
I didn`t say you can`t, I said you shouldn`t, why am I repeating myself ?

Your data should at least be stored on another partition if you only have 1 drive, but yes, most people don`t know any better.
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